• lime!@feddit.nu
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    2 days ago

    tomatoes aren’t native to europe and after their introduction in the early 1500s it took almost 200 years for people to actually dare to eat them, because they thought they were poisonous like potato berries. so the pizza is less than 300 years old.

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      Katanas are also a relatively new japanese tradition, since they

      1. focused more on archery (until muskets displaced those)
      2. had inferior iron, which is why they had to fold it 100 million times, which made the steel ultra brittle (which is why the orientation of the blade is so important in kendo)
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        Fun fact Japan kept trying to conquer Korea specifically to get their Iron deposits. Japanese Iron is pretty shit comparable to Iron used for nails, which is also why Japanese steel was created it was to compensate for shitty iron.

        Also as you noted Japanese sword focused martial arts is notably different from everyone else in its focus to avoid certain strikes so as to not destroy or ruin the blade. Meanwhile in Europe, the middle east, and China for example there were multiple forms of sword martial arts focused on specifically cleaving through bone.

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          Japanese sword focused martial arts is notably different from everyone else in its focus to avoid certain strikes so as to not destroy or ruin the blade

          There’s a reason european swords have a crossguard and Katanas don’t. ;)

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        Then is it pizza? If the only prerequisite is flat bread and cheese with toppings on it im pretty sure the Persians invented pizza

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          I don’t know. Is white pizza NOT a pizza? 🤷

          im pretty sure the Persians invented pizza

          Yeah, I think that’s where the Romanes (eunt domus!) got it from.

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      most italian dishes go back to barely before 1900 like most European things that seem like they are super old

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        Lasagne is very old. It’s also British.

        The first cookery book (published in Britain during the reign of Richard II in the 14 th Century), had a recipe called loseyns (pronounced “lasan”) that layered cheese, meat, and pasta.

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      I disagree. It may take a long time for a food product to enter mainstream consumption, but I can assure you some people will try to eat even poisonous potato berries as soon as they’re first found.

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      because they thought [tomatoes] were poisonous

      Ok but then it turns out that TOMATOES are part of the nightshade family (along with EGGPLANT and those are the only two I know off the top of my head) which have been shown to contribute to depression & other ailments.