Please provide more detail than “Trump is a twat” and “epstein distraction” cos that’s fucking obvious
Iirc there’s a false flag on us soil coming
why would they need a false flag? they’re shooting bombs already
Make Americans angry enough to forget they are against this and Trump lied about “no new wars” and $20 / gallon gas
Israel conducted a decades long blackmail scheme from the 80s into the forseeable future. They used this blackmail of the world’s most rich and powerful combined with information from decades of government software contracts and spying to control the US, UK and other governments to do a long list of things including tell Donald and Benjamin to start this war.
TL;DR Operation Epstein Fury should credit Israel and the Maxwells
What’s going on:
Israel and Iran:
- Israel has terrible relations with virtually every country in the world, and even worse relations with the countries nearby, one of those countries is Iran
- Iran is the only Shia Muslim country in the world (one where the majority of the population is Shia and the people in power are Shia)
- There are Shia minorities in many countries, and in some countries the Shia are a majority of the population, but don’t have power (Iraq used to be like this, not sure how it is now)
- Iran supports armed Shia groups outside Iran (Hamas in Palestine, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen, etc.)
- Sometimes these Iran-backed Shia groups act a bit like governments, sometimes like terrorist groups, often a combination of both.
- Israel shares borders with many countries with Iran-backed militias, so is constantly dealing with low-level conflict with groups linked to (financed by) Iran
- Iran (quite reasonably) thinks that the only way it will be safe from attack is if it has nuclear weapons, so it has been trying to develop them for years
- Israel (quite reasonably) doesn’t want Iran to have nuclear weapons, so has been trying to stop them for years, using spying, sabotage, and more recently, direct airstrikes
- Under Obama, a deal was reached where Iran agreed to stop work on nuclear weapons in exchange for sanctions relief
- Trump violated the terms of this treaty (as he has violated many other treaties) mainly because Obama signed it, and Trump has personal hatred for anything having to do with Obama
- With no deal in place, Iran went back to working (at least more openly) on nuclear weapons
Trump, Racists, and Evangelicals:
- The war against so-called “DEI” has meant any non-white person in an elevated position in the US government and military has been demoted or fired, and an incompetent but politically loyal white person has replaced them
- DOGE meant eliminating “waste, fraud and abuse”, but mostly they eliminated anything they didn’t understand, which included soft power (like Voice of America broadcasts in Persian which were received by people in Iran), Iran analysts at the Pentagon, etc.
- Successfully kidnapping Maduro from Venezuela gave the Trump admin a false sense of confidence
- Israel has a powerful lobby in the US,
- Many evangelicals believe that we’re in the biblical endtimes, and that the rapture will happen soon. They want the jews to go back to Israel so Jesus can come back and kill them, then they get to go to heaven. Jews being in control of biblical places is a key element of their theory, so they support Israel because they want the world to end.
Israel’s latest attacks:
- Israel attacked Iran last year, and the US joined in, and they claimed this “obliterated” Iran’s nuclear program
- Despite this, the message is always that Iran is days or weeks away from a nuclear weapon, so both things are true: the Israeli/US strikes against Iran were a massive success and Iran’s program was obliterated, but Iran is still days or weeks away from developing a nuclear weapon
- The Trump admin was trying to negotiate a new treaty with Iran, but wasn’t making much progress because the negotiators were unqualified idiots: a real estate developer (Steve Witkoff) and Trump’s son in law (Jared Kushner)
- Israel saw another opportunity to take out targets in Iran recently, so they attacked, and the US felt the need to join in, despite being in the middle of negotiations
Hormuz
- Many countries in the middle east only have major ports inside the Persian Gulf, and no way to get goods in or out without passing by the Strait of Hormuz
- Getting into the gulf means getting past the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran can easily control, it’s only 50km coast-to-coast in some places
- Iran, at best, has non-hostile relationships with the rest of the Persian Gulf countries, so it doesn’t risk much by sinking any ship passing by in the Gulf
What’s Next:
- Who knows
- The US went into the conflict without a goal
- Israel went into it with goals (destroy the ability for Iran to finance militias on Israel’s border, force them to focus on issues back home), but achieving its goals might make things even worse for the US
- Iran is facing an existential threat, so it’s unlikely to back down, and it’s not really like the US can escalate without actually invading
- In any invasion, the US would be badly hurt, Iran has a population of almost 100 million, 660 thousand active military, and 350 thousand reserves
- Any invasion would also serve to have Iranians rally around their country
- Many Iranians (especially urban ones) hate the theocratic regime, but they’ve seen how after US “interventions” nearby countries have collapsed into chaos. Stability under a hated theocratic leader is much preferable to chaos, so they’re unlikely to rise up
- There are groups inside Iran who might fight (the Kurds for example), but they’ve been repeatedly burned by the US, over and over, going back decades, so they’re not going to take promises from the US seriously
Really easy to understand info there thanks
That’s a pretty solid answer - well done.
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Hamas is sunni
Interesting, I didn’t realize that. I thought all of the groups Iran supported were Shia.
Hamas is the exception. It is a branch of the muslim brotherhood
Perfect summary, and had a laugh from your description the Evangelicals goals
It would be funny if they weren’t actually trying to bring about the biblical end-times. Also, they don’t care at all about the future because they don’t believe that the future will exist, since we’re in endtimes.
They need to accept the rapture has already happened. All the good religious people have already ascended. This is why all of the religious people who are still here suck.
That would be nice. But, one common theme with religious people is that they always believe that they are going to heaven, but everyone else isn’t.
with no boots on the ground, Iran has already won as there will be no regime change.
US miscalculated by listening to Netanyahu 40 year old powerpoint for some reason.
Killing Ayatolahs and grade school girls was an intentional act to galvanize Iranian unity behind IRGC to fight longer and privilege to spend more on weapons industry. This was best scenario for US oil industry to hike prices as Trump says “the more we fuck up world, the more money we make”
Problem: Iran has power to control global economy, and strike through Israel defenses, and fuck over GCC US colonies that have historically bribed the US, and Trump specifically, to protect them. All US bases in region are destroyed.
The US has not only failed to protect its non-Israeli allies, it has cannibalized missile defense systems from Asia to better protect Israel. It is utterly incapable of having any influence on critical global shipping channel that is the Straits of Hormuz next to Iran.
Bahrain opened its demonic zionazi pig fucker fuck face to UN to condemn Iran but not axis of evil for their problems. Zionazi axis agreed with them, but they got proper fucked 3 hours later.
TO HAPPEN NEXT:
US needs a denuclearized Iran to give Trump a “declaration of victory”. Only path is to buy Iran’s enriched uranium for $10M per kg, or about $6B for current estimated stockpiles, and so effectively pay reparations to Iran as their current maximalist demands include. Lifiting sanctions/embargoes is necessarily part of the deal.
GCC stop being zionazi stooges, because Israel has demonstrated that their destruction is more important to US than the US protection they were bribing for. US won’t even pretend to GAF about them and offer to pay for reconstructing infrastructure or their bases. GCC joins BRICS and allies with Iran. Israel gets less ambitious about Greater Israel, and worries about little Israel.
The hard question is how does Israel and its US puppet rulership handle Israel’s failure, and collapse of US power illusion? Zionazi DNC funding increases, and DNC wins mid terms, and US focuses on preserving little Israel, while keeping us educated on Holocaust and anti-Semitism, is a meh outcome to lay low for the next offensive on humanity.
All US bases in the region are destroyed?
Why: I think it’s mostly a matter of trump wanting to make a name for himself outside of his maga cult. Neocons never liked him, and he hopes this might change it. Plus, a dose of realpolitik in an effort to seem tough usually works.
When: It will have to end soon, otherwise he’ll be shitting in his base. However, while wanting to pull back he’ll realize he has two choices:
- Declare “victory” and leave the regime still in power, leaving people (his base included) asking what all these tax dollars were spent on
- Keep going, losing more and more support from his isolationist base and then some. Iran is, at present, the most unpopular war from a US polling perspective, so it is highly unlikely there will be a rally-around-the-flag effect for him. Even more unlikely the linger it goes on - a war doesn’t become more popular over time.
How: Airstrikes will continue until the paragraph above has been addressed. And since Trump never reads history, he’s probably way too optimistic, never realizing this simple fact: No country/regime has ever unconditionally surrendered because of conventional airstrikes and bombardment alone.
To quote Sarah Paine (renowned military scholar and historian), once you put your enemy on death ground, meaning they will have to fight on or (probably) die, they will not surrender. Trump never offered the Iran regime an offramp, and while it sucks to be in Iran right now, they have no incentive to surrender.
Sounds like putin and ukraine. Just gotta keep killing people to save his ego
Except Ukraine was minding its own business, while Iran was busy arming terror groups across the middle east
There’s also nothing to indicate that Iran would completely reopen the strait even if the US up and fucked off. What incentive do they have at this point to return to the old status quo?
Exactly! In for a penny, in for a pound. Iran will likely punish their neighbors who’ve been hosting US bases further before a ceasefire.
And just like that…
And even if Iran changed their minds, it’s not like the mines will just disappear
They didn’t release mines (yet) though? Or am I out of the loop?
The US sunk 16 of their mine laying ships and has been having to shoot down mine laying drones. No one really going through so no real idea about how many if any mines have gotten through.
Is that verified and were the ships actually in operation? All I saw was “inactive mine-laying ships”
The count I saw is that Iran has something like 450 ships in operation prior to the start of this war.
I do believe we sank them before they were active along with or near in time to the first decapitation strike. Personally no idea about whether they have more.
Careful with that “we” there.
Where do you think we are right now?
There have been some, but I’m not sure to which extent.
What incentive do they have at this point to return to the old status quo?
If the US fucks off, then Iran is left in a powerful negotiation position. They could use this incident to help normalize relations with other gulf states by pointing out how the US and Israel started the fight, then left them all high and dry. They could make non-agression and safe passage deals with the gulf states as well as exhert real pressure against the normalization of relations with Israel.
EDIT:
Less than a day later…
Long term it’s better for Iran if stuff keeps flowing through and nobody moves away or pipelines around the Strait.
Before that was just economically infeasible, but now it’s being shown as a massive vulnerability and there’s no going back.
Unless Iran can make it look so expensive by comparison again.
When you say “his isolationist base” I know that was a talking point early on. Will any part of his base hold him accountable for literally anything ever, though? I would’ve assumed his base is now ecstatic about doing some warmongering no matter what he said five minutes ago?
Going by the polls, roughly one in ten or perhaps more Americans have changed their mind about him already. They’re mostly independents, but he has also lost most of the literal actual Hitler-hailing nazis, which is a serious blow to his people power.
Time will show. There are some shitheads, such as Nick Fuentes, who have publicly disavowed Trump, and even Alex Jones is having a hard time defending Trump these days. Defection are happening, but any long term effect will probably be seen via a slow trickle and not a sudden drop in approval rating.
The truth is, most people don’t stay up to date on the news, so while the base probably won’t notice that the current Trump talking points are inconsistent at best, come a year or two and they will probably notice that they are objectively worse off after Trump decided to spend billions on a war with Iran for dubious benefits. We will never see a point of “That’s it, fuck you!” on xitter. Suddenly the support will lose critical mass and fade into the background just like the teaparty did.
I’m cautiously optimistic stemming from the fact that ideologies based on hate never succeed in the long run. They either fizzle out, eat themselves, or on rare occasions implode spectacularly.
Trump has also surrounded himself with yes-men, just like this Austrian corporal once did. While Hitler certainly had a loyal staff, they were far from competent; Göhring thought he could bomb UK i to submission. And the rest of the staff were more focused on licking rectoplasm than facing reality.
Rectoplasm
Nice choice of words. Now I have a new band to listen to.
come a year or two and they will probably notice that they are objectively worse off
This has historically not been the case. Trump supporters are more likely to say things are “great” when asked how the presidents policies have affected them. They are entirely divorced from reality and hang on the presidents words as if their lives depended on it. They accept what he says as truth, and without fail his lackeys repeat those words/lies, things like, “the dow is over 50,000!” that we heard bondi say the other day in a hearing. I think people should be more informed how this is historically similar to nazi germany’s rise to power.
Trump supporters are more likely to say things are “great” when asked how the presidents policies have affected them.
They’re also likely to say “Biden’s policies” were terrible and “trump’s policies” are the best even if they describe Biden’s actual policies as “trump policies” and trump’s actual policies as “Biden’s policies”.
I think that most Trump voters support isolationism symbolically. They want a leader who prioritizes them rather than perceived others, but they don’t actually have a strong opinion about specific foreign policies per se. Attacking Iran does challenge that symbolism, but in the absence of direct effects on their own lives, their trust in Trump’s established “America first” reputation will go a long way.
A lot of his base believe that the reason the US goes around the world plundering and killing is for the benefit of the people in those countries. It’s utterly delusional, White Man’s Burden bullshit but that’s what the media says and they’re gullible enough to believe it (as are some liberals tbh). The main thing they want is to stop carrying this imagined White Man’s Burden. They don’t give a single shit about what kind of harm is inflicted on foreigners, they just don’t want to feel like they’re paying to help foreigners (or anybody else).
All that adds up to, if Trump does terrorist strikes that kill schoolgirls and destabilize countries to the benefit of absolutely no one, they don’t care. At best, they might care a little about US troops who are killed because they don’t see them as subhumans (like they do foreigners), but even then it’s a toss-up because they might decide to want vengeance.
There is an “isolationist” current because they can see the failure of the occupation of Afghanistan but they also have incoherent worldviews and little ability to resist propaganda. So they blame that failure on “woke” and on it being nation-building, without realizing that the “woke” was just a pretence and also that Bush also claimed he didn’t want to get involved in nation-building because of Vietnam.
Some of the more Libertarian ones are rallying around Thomas Massie. He seems like one of the few American politicians who are actually somewhat honest.
No country/regime has ever unconditionally surrendered because of conventional airstrikes and bombardment alone.
Are you forgetting WWII? Japan was setting up for a big American invasion of their islands, expecting millions dead, and then we dropped a nuke. Japan still refused, so we dropped another nuke. Then they surrendered.
You’re assuming that we won’t use nukes, simply because it’s immoral and a huge escalation over nothing. Now look who’s giving the orders. An immoral pedophile who hates anyone mentioning how he’s a pedophile. He’ll do ANYTHING to stop people from mentioning he’s a pedophile. I think that includes nukes. This is the same guy who used the phrase “We’re gonna bomb the shit out of them!”
The Japanese fascists didn’t give a shit about the people getting nuked. If they did they would have started the war in the first place. The most the nukes gave them was an excuse, they could pretend that’s why they surrendered to make themselves look better. The only thing they cared about was their own skin. The reason they didn’t want to submit to unconditional surrender was because they didn’t want to hang.
The desperate hope that they had been hanging on to was that they could negotiate with the USSR to mediate the surrender (in fact, the USSR was just buying time as they moved troops to attack). This hope was prolonged because Truman pulled out of a joint statement with the USSR calling for surrender, and the reason he did that was because he wanted an opportunity to use the bomb.
The USSR declaring war is the thing that removed the last hope the Japanese fascists had for a conditional surrender. They were then allowed to save face by claiming they cared so much about sparing the people from nukes. Because really the only reason the US was so insistant on unconditional surrender in the first place was because it would sound more badass in the papers and help Truman get reelected. Dropping the nukes also served as a way to justify the costs of the program, and to intimidate the Soviets.
The projections for a possible invasion were all invented after the war as a talking point. No such projection existed during the war, nor was any invasion planned.
Its not quite accurate to say bombing alone, yhe only condition Japan had when they tried to surrender before the bombs was the emporer, and that would have gone away as the Soviets got closer.
That’s why I said “conventional”, which nukes aren’t
The netherlands surrendered after the bombing of Rotterdam by germany in WW2. This was with conventional weapons.
The surrender wasn’t unconditional. Germany accepted a surrender which did not include Zeeland in the armstice. This also meant any maritime and air assets in the region.
Also, Netherlands had an offramp by surrendering. See my comment about being on death ground above.
That situation was different though. Japan was 100% getting invaded and they knew that when the bombs were dropped. Maybe not right away, in the very immediate term. Iran does not believe the US will execute a proper invasion as it has not been credibly threatened. If Iran believed that invasion was imminent, then the calculus would be different.
Iran has control of and does not appear to be giving up, control of the straight of Hormuz. Basically then entire global economy hinges on this one geographically and physically limiting body of water. Any even elementary student of strategy knows this, has known this, and anyone advising world powers would be well aware of the implications of attacking Iran as the Americans and Israelis have done. As far as impacts you will likely feel, in the nearest time frame, this is the most relevant. 20% of global trade goes though this passage. The majority of oil going to south east Asia, China, Japan, Australia passes through this straight.
Like, I don’t really think its valuable to conjecture whats going on behind the eyelids of the administration, but they clearly misunderstood how vulnerable they were in this regard. The US dollar is suspending through enforcement of the petro-dollar: That the GCC nations are captured in the sense that they must trade oil in dollars. The value of the USD as form of fiat is elevated because of this. The GCC nations are all entirely dependent on the straight of Hormuz for effectively all calories going to those countries. These nations simply do not exist without access to the straight. They are also coupled with the fact that for all practical purposes, all of their water is from desalination plants; plants much more easily targeted as Iran has been both a) targeting radar and detection instillation throughout the region, and b) wearing down interceptor stocks.
While Israel basically tricked America into starting this war, its truly been one of their regional goals for decades. However, both Israel and the US suffer from extreme hubris in relationship to their capabilities, its clear both parties have misunderstood the mindset of the Islamic Republic. Both parties (Israel and the US) are used to negotiating with parties that will do practically anything to deescalate the situation. Iran is not like this. As a point of analysis, Iran (I think rightfully) considers what Israel and the US are doing as a war of extermination, and they’ve seen from other regional examples (Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon) what works and what doesn’t work with regards to resisting US/ Israeli hegemony. And we see them doing seems to be very informed by this. In-spite of the power imbalance, Iran has a clear path to victory here and the US has basically none. So long as Iran can keep the straight closed and keep GCC nations shook, the US has no path to victory through air control alone.
What will happen next is:
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Even if the straight were to open tomorrow, we’re looking at 3 months + of global disruption and we have recent historic precedent for this. See the Evergreen and the Suez canal. And that was with all parties cooperating to re-open the canal as soon as possible.
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Prices are going to skyrocket and inflation is going to go back to being at risk of spiraling out of control. This is going to be like covid, but also not like covid, in that we don’t have the buffer in interest rates we did had built in the pre-covid times. The US can not both lower rates and prevent inflation. Its not clear there is any path the US can take financially.
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Before the cold war, full blown wars would often last decades. The period of the cold-war and post-coldwar era are not reflective of how wars are fought historically. Modern war is focused on the doctrine of shock and awe: Dominate the air, use extremely impressive high tech weaponry, and forms of “omnipotent” systems (Wheres Daddy?, Satellite imagery, RF signature analysis ect). The shock-and-awe doctrine is to orchestrate the appearance of such dominance, the other party loses the narrative. However, with a few notable exceptions, this doctrine does not work against an opponent who is determined to resist (See Vietnam, Iraq one, Iraq two, Afghanistan, Hezbollah, etc…). The approach that the US and Israel are dependent upon has been repeatedly demonstrated to fail against a determined opponent. The US will lose this war.
You aren’t the first person, but can you please define your abbreviations no one who needs to read your post knows at all what GCC
For those who don’t know
Your correct and since this is no stupid questions, I should have defined that.
Oh fuck of course. It’s not just about oil reserves it’s about transportation of it. Thanks
This is probably the best comment here so far. To emphasize the interceptor missile point, the US yesterday pulled interceptor systems from South Korea. You know, the place next to the nuclear-armed country that likes to lob missiles into the ocean just to show off. It should go without saying how dire the situation is if the US is redeploying interceptors from South Korea. Once interceptor stocks are depleted, Iran will be able to consistently, successfully strike targets inside US allied territory. There are some rumblings that Iran’s success rate is already increasing. Once this happens, Iran has the US & Israel backed into a corner even more than they already do.
While Israel basically tricked America into starting this war,
I’m happy with most of your analysis, but this bit bugs me. It seems like a lot of people are eager to avoid American agency when it comes to Trump and his actions - he’s dismissed as a literal agent of Putin, the Russians are blamed for having manipulated the electorate, Musk interfered with the election count directly, it’s all the billionaries’ fault. And now America was apparently “tricked” into killing the leaders of a government by that very government.
No, America owns this.
No. Trump is genuinely senile. Israel and its US cabinet puppets determined his decision without consultation of miltiary experts or GCC objections, or even any ally objections.
I’m not offering speculative analysis with this point. The administration made this point:
Rubio contradicting themselves on this point one day after making it
No, America owns this.
Sure, in an existential sense I agree, but what then? Like what do I do with that conclusion that furthers my understanding? as in if I were to take this form of reductive analysis to geopolitics, how does that impact my ability to predict future states of the world? I take something like this sentiment and I ask “does this sentiment add to my models capacity to predict or does it detract?”
I would say this form of reductionism drops my predictive capacity to practically nothing. I can’t make predictions of future states or back test previous states of the world effectively in that framework. Its a form of cliche or jingoism, which while emotionally satisfying, effectively halts critical thinking. Like it might be a more conscilient or parsimonious explanation, but parsimony and consilience are irrelevant if the models they are a being used to value aren’t predictive. What matters first in a model is predictive capacity. After that you can update other values. But if the first thing you value in a model isn’t predicative capacity in some manner, you aren’t operating in the real world, by definition. You’re valuing something other than a models ability to predict reality (simplicity of the model, or ones ability to understand the model, or how well the model rhymes with other things you think you know).
Like what do I do with that conclusion that furthers my understanding?
You miss my point. I’m not suggesting something to be done, that’s out of scope of my objection. I’m saying what you should stop doing. Stop portraying America as the poor innocent victim of those duplicitous Israelis. America should know better.
I’m saying what you should stop doing.
No, I don’t think that I do. I’m countering that I think what you offer has no real value, doesn’t contributes to understanding and by following that frame work, you feed into the outcomes you allege to be against.
Its not only worthless, its actually less than worthless, because by adopting that framework, you actually cut against your own alleged goals.
Its a reactionary mentality embedded in emotionalism. Just like the those who like to blame voters for the results of 2024 or the people who blame consumers for the failures of recycling in the 1990’s, but can’t offer a functional mechanism for how blaming those parties to the system would contribute to different outcomes.
Israel absolutely tricked the US into this engagement, which most analysts have known was something Israel has wanted for decades. America as a state is utterly cuckolded to Israel for the purposes of this engagement. They aren’t in control of their own foreign policy. Just and just as well, a vocal majority of EU states are cuckolded to the US and seem to be getting dragged in as well, to greater or lessor extents, with few exceptions (Spain, Ireland, Norway). Do they not have agency? Or is agency the wrong way to think about these things if you want a predictive framework that is effective at capturing previous and future states?
Israel absolutely tricked the US into this engagement, which most analysts have known was something Israel has wanted for decades.
If most analysts knew it, then how did Israel trick them?
America as a state is utterly cuckolded to Israel for the purposes of this engagement. They aren’t in control of their own foreign policy.
How? Is America not a big, powerful country, with politicians that serve its own interests? You’re saying it’s some kind of satellite, a vassal state, of Big Bad Puppetmaster Israel? America couldn’t have said “no”?
No, this is a worthless analysis. This is completely disregarding America’s own agency here, its own motives. America did this. America wanted this. And this attempt to place the blame anywhere but where it belongs is, frankly, pathetic. It’s no better than Trump himself scrambling to find anyone he can to blame for his own failures and problems.
Just and just as well, a vocal majority of EU states are cuckolded to the US and seem to be getting dragged in as well, to greater or lessor extents, with few exceptions (Spain, Ireland, Norway). Do they not have agency?
I have yet to see any of those EU states get dragged in. Even the UK, widely considered an American lapdog, has managed to keep fairly clean so far.
But if perchance one of them does turn completely stupid and get involved then be that on their heads. They will be responsible for their own actions and they will deserve the consequences. It’ll be nobody else’s fault but their own.
If most analysts knew it, then how did Israel trick them?
Most analysts/woken people knew that Israel wants Iran destruction for its own sake, does not mean that no Israel agents are in government and incapable of manipulating toddler in chief towards the goal.
You’re saying it’s some kind of satellite, a vassal state, of Big Bad Puppetmaster Israel?
Yes. 99% of politicians swear a loyalty oath to Israel. Most election money is from Israel, and all of the other election money just agrees with team Israel to make it easier.
Great write up!
the point isn’t to “win.” the point is to be at war
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So it’s very hard to illustrate all this in an online forum thread… So I’m gonna try and sort of simplify…
First and foremost, know that there are no good guys in any part of this. Everyone involved is beyond fucked up and everyone involved is Doing this for all the wrong reasons.
For a very long timeIsrael has been very concerned that Iran will develop nuclear weapons, as they should be.
Iran has been executing a proxy war against Israel for 50 years.
Part of that proxy war involves a number of different organizations, one of which is basically in control of Palestine.
The Obama administration negotiated a treaty with Iran that lifted a number of sanctions if they allowed international inspectors to prevent them from enriching uranium, which is a key step in creating nuclear weapons.
The Trump administration in partnership with Israel View that as an absolute disaster.
So they ended the agreement. Which basically opened the door for a Iran to enrich uranium.
Israel has been wanting to bomb Iranian nuclear production sites for decades.
All those sites are underground.
The only country with the ability to bomb shit underground and destroy it is the United States.
One of the most dynamic military leaders in the history of man was an Iranian general who organized and managed that broad coalition of different organizations against Israel. It really is a feat and how well he managed and did all that.
The US military killed him in an airstrike.
The US military has destroyed……. Well, bombed a number of the facilities that iran is enriching or uranium in.
The US military has also killed a number of the political leaders in Iran that’s what’s really messy.
You have to leave the guys alive to turn things off…. There’s no one left to turn things off
Don’t believe anything this guy say. Israel want to destroy Iran so it can create a greater israel with no resistance
Oh i apologize if my post paints isreal in a good light. There are no good guys here.
I am going out that at the top of my post.
Regardless of how bad iran is . It is Israel the settler colonial power who want to get rid of Iran to steal more land from Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan , Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Don’t waste your time with more dumb propaganda. Iran never planed to build nukes although maybe they will considered it now since israel want to create a failed state in Iran
The leader we just killed had issued a fatwa against nukes. Whether the new leader will see things the same way remains to be seen.
exactly
You forgot the bit where they’re trying to distract everyone from the Epstein files and the bit where they literally have no plan.
Yeah, as much as the Internet wants to believe otherwise I don’t think the Epstein Files are really all that important to anyone in any power.
You are correct. Nobody involved here has a plan. I mean Israel’s stated Objectiveis total victory yet Netanyahu’s Governmentcan’t articulate. What the hell that is…
I don’t think the Epstein Files are really all that important to anyone in any power.
On the contrary - I think if Iran released any of the blackmail on trump that supposedly exists, things would take a wild turn.
However, I do concede this is likely an optimistic view
“Completely fake news, our specialists determined the footage is AI generated”
You know very well Israel plan is to destroy Iran as a state so it can’t never function again and so that they accomplish the greater israel project
HOLY SHIT. That is much worse tham I thought, i groaned when I read about the inspector being overturned. How did he justify that? Thanks for explaining that I’ve saved the comment.
How the fuck can USA get out of this?
It is staggering what he gets away with.
How can all of us get out of this mess? I do not know, nor do i think anyone else does either.
Yep…
Hamas is an independent partner not a proxy.
One that only done so well because Israel propped them up to prevent a more moderate government from forming.
Hiii so basically they fired everyone in the administration who said “Iran will curb stomp the US for many reasons, so like, don’t start a war with them” and then decided to start a war with them
One of the many reasons is that Iran preeeeety much has unilateral control over this extremely interesting geographic feature called “The Straight of Hormuz” which has been one of the most important strategic chokepoints in the world for literally thousands of years. Right at the moment the big thing it’s choking is some crazy number like 20% of the entire oil and natural gas supply for the entire planet earth.
So naturally the first thing that is already happening is gas prices skyrocketing. Of note: the way they’re controlling the straight is with missiles. So we’re also seeing extreme amounts of environmental destruction from the tankers that have exploded
What’s gonna happen long term is anyone’s guess
Oh fuck this is bad. Where will it go from here?
Well, my assumption is that someday soon, all the people of the world will take a step back and realize that the endless cycle of war is ultimately meaningless; that the cruelty and suffering can end, and we can finally step forward into an era of compassion for one another
Iran refused to sell oil using US$ as currency and supplied Hamas with missiles to shoot at Israel. So they were a pain in the US’ and Israel’s ass.
When spies found out that Iran’s leadership would meet in a place that isn’t underground, and Iran’s ally Russia was kinda busy, the US saw a rare opportunity to decapitate the state. For political reasons they asked Israel to strike first.
That was about as much thought as went into the attack.
Iran struck out against every US and Israeli ally in range and closed the straight of Hormus in retaliation, which blocks 20% of global oil trade.No one in the world knows what happens next, which is kinda typical in wars.
I honestly don’t know if US was driving the ship on the decapitation strike. I think Netanyahu might have been the one who wanted to take the shot and Trump just saw it as a convenient distraction at a time when he desperately needs a distraction. Neither here nor there, really, because both are in it together. Maybe they both (Trump and Netanyahu) had their foot on the gas?
Yeah, that info is just a decision based on the political optics of how the joint operation was conducted (who should strike first). If Netanyahu wasn’t in Washington the week before, pressuring Trump to act, would Trump have opted to hold hands and go for it with Israel? I feel like this is what Netanyahu has been trying to get the US to help them do for years and years.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was at the White House last week pressing the administration to do what it must to derail Iran’s nuclear program, its ballistic missile infrastructure and its support for proxy militias in the region.
Like the kid that keeps asking dad for a PS5, but dad keeps saying no or offering lesser prizes. They finally asked on the right day, when dad was already in the mood to get that PS5, and dad said “fuck it, let’s go get it.” Luckily for Netanyahu, Epstein shit is being stirred and Trump has a nose for making distractions.
Israel wants to des stabilize Iran and become the uncontested regional power on the middle east towards their Great Israel goal.
As for “what will happen next”, the USA seems to want a cease fire and Iran is tired of getting bombed randomly, so Iran is going to close the Strait of Hormuz until it can get a better deal that means something. Israel and the USA don’t seem to want to make that kind of deal.
So Iran is going to start a recession by restricting oil supply for the rest of the world to get the rest of the world to intervene or to get that agreement from the USA and Israel.
This will likely last until November, when the midterm election is supposed to happen. Trump wasn’t popular already. A recession caused by military action is going to get a lot of people pissed. That recession will likely pop the AI bubble, both due to a loss of market liquidity and increased energy prices fueling AI.
Don’t get my hopes up
My sense is that Trump is going for the “we’re at war and therefore it would be imprudent to have elections” argument. I agree that this will drag on, but I think it depends on if Trump is able to successfully pull off the first ever skipped election in US history.
I don’t think his supreme court would go that low to allow it, but…the chance that he succeeds is not 0%, which fucking sucks.
That’s my fear too. He wants as much power as possible. He started jan 6th to stay in power he’s easily capable of starting a war to stop an election. My fear is he’ll use war to stay on past his 2 terms
While it’s definitely still possible, I’m optimistic that the US doesn’t have a history of being forcibly silenced. While we may not be great at mass‑movement or general‑strike action on a national scale, or at least we are out of practice, we’re not used to being afraid of speaking our political beliefs and I don’t see that switching overnight.
In a nation like Russia, that kind of political submission to the state was seemingly drilled into people during the Soviet Union (really, through much of recent Russian history). No one runs into the street to take cell‑phone video of Russian thug troops rounding up political foes. They know that if they speak up, they’ll be alone, isolated, and face a bad fate. But in the US, we get outside and document. We know the names of Alex Pretti and Renee Good.
And consider hypothetical war support: there’s no way the political ruling class would survive if the US got into a meat‑grinder war like Russia’s in Ukraine, with millions of casualties. Vietnam almost broke the country, and there were only 58k deaths (not to belittle the number, but Russia has suffered around 1.2m in military losses in just four years).
I think Jan 6 was a wake‑up call that it’s not a joke and not crazy to think they would attempt (and could succeed with) a coup here. I 100% think Trump and co. will try again to stage a coup or fix themselves in power, but I don’t yet believe they’ll succeed.
Good points I agree
Think it’s time you watched Dr Strangelove
Trump seizes control of the oil production in Venezuela, then attacks Iran causing them to block the strait of Hormuz and oil prices to skyrocket. Profit.
Next:
- Trump chickens out somehow. Makes another big missile salvo, puts together another video of it for his fans, then says he’s done
- Iran bides its time then retaliates against the US thru a proxy.
- US gets dragged into another long term war in the Middle East.
- US doesn’t have its shit together. Economy nosedives. Somehow Republicans blame that on Dems.
Thats really eaay to understand thanks. Can you give me an example of a proxy that might happen? And what outcome do you think is most likely?
Proxies: The govt of Iran was the opposite religious alignment of govt in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Iran’s army never attacked that country. But some other smaller groups got training / funds / weapons from Iran, because Iran knew they wanted to strike against the US-supported govts in that country
Similarly, if I didn’t like you, I could pay someone else to create sockpuppet accts to criticize you. I can say with a straight face that I never did anything to you personally. But I still got what I wanted.
The Mideast has too much oil for the US to not be involved in the area. So every 20-30 yrs the US bombs someone in the area to keep the oil flowing.
If you wanted another reason to electrify your car that’s one.
Ahhhhh I see thanks
