When you say “his isolationist base” I know that was a talking point early on. Will any part of his base hold him accountable for literally anything ever, though? I would’ve assumed his base is now ecstatic about doing some warmongering no matter what he said five minutes ago?
Time will show. There are some shitheads, such as Nick Fuentes, who have publicly disavowed Trump, and even Alex Jones is having a hard time defending Trump these days. Defection are happening, but any long term effect will probably be seen via a slow trickle and not a sudden drop in approval rating.
The truth is, most people don’t stay up to date on the news, so while the base probably won’t notice that the current Trump talking points are inconsistent at best, come a year or two and they will probably notice that they are objectively worse off after Trump decided to spend billions on a war with Iran for dubious benefits. We will never see a point of “That’s it, fuck you!” on xitter. Suddenly the support will lose critical mass and fade into the background just like the teaparty did.
I’m cautiously optimistic stemming from the fact that ideologies based on hate never succeed in the long run. They either fizzle out, eat themselves, or on rare occasions implode spectacularly.
Trump has also surrounded himself with yes-men, just like this Austrian corporal once did. While Hitler certainly had a loyal staff, they were far from competent; Göhring thought he could bomb UK i to submission. And the rest of the staff were more focused on licking rectoplasm than facing reality.
come a year or two and they will probably notice that they are objectively worse off
This has historically not been the case. Trump supporters are more likely to say things are “great” when asked how the presidents policies have affected them. They are entirely divorced from reality and hang on the presidents words as if their lives depended on it. They accept what he says as truth, and without fail his lackeys repeat those words/lies, things like, “the dow is over 50,000!” that we heard bondi say the other day in a hearing. I think people should be more informed how this is historically similar to nazi germany’s rise to power.
Trump supporters are more likely to say things are “great” when asked how the presidents policies have affected them.
They’re also likely to say “Biden’s policies” were terrible and “trump’s policies” are the best even if they describe Biden’s actual policies as “trump policies” and trump’s actual policies as “Biden’s policies”.
I think that most Trump voters support isolationism symbolically. They want a leader who prioritizes them rather than perceived others, but they don’t actually have a strong opinion about specific foreign policies per se. Attacking Iran does challenge that symbolism, but in the absence of direct effects on their own lives, their trust in Trump’s established “America first” reputation will go a long way.
A lot of his base believe that the reason the US goes around the world plundering and killing is for the benefit of the people in those countries. It’s utterly delusional, White Man’s Burden bullshit but that’s what the media says and they’re gullible enough to believe it (as are some liberals tbh). The main thing they want is to stop carrying this imagined White Man’s Burden. They don’t give a single shit about what kind of harm is inflicted on foreigners, they just don’t want to feel like they’re paying to help foreigners (or anybody else).
All that adds up to, if Trump does terrorist strikes that kill schoolgirls and destabilize countries to the benefit of absolutely no one, they don’t care. At best, they might care a little about US troops who are killed because they don’t see them as subhumans (like they do foreigners), but even then it’s a toss-up because they might decide to want vengeance.
There is an “isolationist” current because they can see the failure of the occupation of Afghanistan but they also have incoherent worldviews and little ability to resist propaganda. So they blame that failure on “woke” and on it being nation-building, without realizing that the “woke” was just a pretence and also that Bush also claimed he didn’t want to get involved in nation-building because of Vietnam.
Going by the polls, roughly one in ten or perhaps more Americans have changed their mind about him already. They’re mostly independents, but he has also lost most of the literal actual Hitler-hailing nazis, which is a serious blow to his people power.
Some of the more Libertarian ones are rallying around Thomas Massie. He seems like one of the few American politicians who are actually somewhat honest.
When you say “his isolationist base” I know that was a talking point early on. Will any part of his base hold him accountable for literally anything ever, though? I would’ve assumed his base is now ecstatic about doing some warmongering no matter what he said five minutes ago?
Time will show. There are some shitheads, such as Nick Fuentes, who have publicly disavowed Trump, and even Alex Jones is having a hard time defending Trump these days. Defection are happening, but any long term effect will probably be seen via a slow trickle and not a sudden drop in approval rating.
The truth is, most people don’t stay up to date on the news, so while the base probably won’t notice that the current Trump talking points are inconsistent at best, come a year or two and they will probably notice that they are objectively worse off after Trump decided to spend billions on a war with Iran for dubious benefits. We will never see a point of “That’s it, fuck you!” on xitter. Suddenly the support will lose critical mass and fade into the background just like the teaparty did.
I’m cautiously optimistic stemming from the fact that ideologies based on hate never succeed in the long run. They either fizzle out, eat themselves, or on rare occasions implode spectacularly.
Trump has also surrounded himself with yes-men, just like this Austrian corporal once did. While Hitler certainly had a loyal staff, they were far from competent; Göhring thought he could bomb UK i to submission. And the rest of the staff were more focused on licking rectoplasm than facing reality.
Nice choice of words. Now I have a new band to listen to.
This has historically not been the case. Trump supporters are more likely to say things are “great” when asked how the presidents policies have affected them. They are entirely divorced from reality and hang on the presidents words as if their lives depended on it. They accept what he says as truth, and without fail his lackeys repeat those words/lies, things like, “the dow is over 50,000!” that we heard bondi say the other day in a hearing. I think people should be more informed how this is historically similar to nazi germany’s rise to power.
They’re also likely to say “Biden’s policies” were terrible and “trump’s policies” are the best even if they describe Biden’s actual policies as “trump policies” and trump’s actual policies as “Biden’s policies”.
I think that most Trump voters support isolationism symbolically. They want a leader who prioritizes them rather than perceived others, but they don’t actually have a strong opinion about specific foreign policies per se. Attacking Iran does challenge that symbolism, but in the absence of direct effects on their own lives, their trust in Trump’s established “America first” reputation will go a long way.
A lot of his base believe that the reason the US goes around the world plundering and killing is for the benefit of the people in those countries. It’s utterly delusional, White Man’s Burden bullshit but that’s what the media says and they’re gullible enough to believe it (as are some liberals tbh). The main thing they want is to stop carrying this imagined White Man’s Burden. They don’t give a single shit about what kind of harm is inflicted on foreigners, they just don’t want to feel like they’re paying to help foreigners (or anybody else).
All that adds up to, if Trump does terrorist strikes that kill schoolgirls and destabilize countries to the benefit of absolutely no one, they don’t care. At best, they might care a little about US troops who are killed because they don’t see them as subhumans (like they do foreigners), but even then it’s a toss-up because they might decide to want vengeance.
There is an “isolationist” current because they can see the failure of the occupation of Afghanistan but they also have incoherent worldviews and little ability to resist propaganda. So they blame that failure on “woke” and on it being nation-building, without realizing that the “woke” was just a pretence and also that Bush also claimed he didn’t want to get involved in nation-building because of Vietnam.
Going by the polls, roughly one in ten or perhaps more Americans have changed their mind about him already. They’re mostly independents, but he has also lost most of the literal actual Hitler-hailing nazis, which is a serious blow to his people power.
Some of the more Libertarian ones are rallying around Thomas Massie. He seems like one of the few American politicians who are actually somewhat honest.