I do think the streamer may have a point, but only in a bullshit jobs way. A job that actually improves the world has a sense of satisfaction that a job that’s either harmful or pointless lacks, and the latter does some damage to the psyche
That said, he could you know, change careers
But then he might chip his manicure
You say chip, what’s up?
He could probably get a desk job career that feels meaningful
I find it hard to think of any job that would feel meaningful, under capitalism–which is the only system I have experience with. Certainly no job I’ve ever had has felt so. Sure, I could lie to myself that looking at the work from a narrow view, from a certain angle, and in the right light, potential meaning beyond just making the rich richer, and eking out an existence for myself could be occasionally glimpsed, but that was always an obvious lie.
Have you considered plumbing? Civil engineering? Becoming a physician or nurse? Installing solar panels? Even a fair amount of manufacturing does something that the world is better off for having it, and within that, supportive work is still meaningful because it enables that good to happen.
Yes, the distribution of resources and organization of labor are alienating in our society, but there’s work that improves the world and there’s satisfaction in doing it.
Mine feels good, provide electricity to thousands.
Nah he’s right. I’m in a friend circle that includes a lot of content creators and the burnout is so palpable, they can’t even take real holidays because if they do the algorithm fucks them over. Then the guy in the group who’s effectively a Janitor is the happiest and well adjusted and he loves his job.
I can absolutely see this. Viewers are expecting something new every time they check your page. If you aren’t active for a week they may stop checking.
Are any of your content creator friends trying to get other jobs?
Yeah, most of them are actually artists primarily, but getting a stable job in art is quite hard.
Best of luck to them, then.
LOL, they can’t take holidays? I can’t either, show me who can afford holidays… I haven’t been on holiday in a decade. At least they can pay their bills ffs, unlike me.
???
All my other friends? I’m on a very average wage and can take holidays, I have a friend’s that on like 1k/year over minimum who’s going to Japan later this year.
Scream out of touch louder. In the US (where Hasan is so its the pertinent example) federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour, thats 16,080 a year, add 1000 and you’re saying your friend can afford to pay all their bills and a trip to Japan? The state with the highest minimum wage is Washington at 17.13 hourly total annual being 35,630, add 1,000 36,630. You’re saying thats not only a livable wage in that state but one high enough to afford a trip to Japan? Your friend is putting it on a credit card or they don’t have any of the bills associated with being an adult.
Americans still don’t understand there are other countries that exist.
Boooooo you stink. We are talking about hasan and you are trying to apply whatever your country (which is undeniably a significantly smaller number of people) to all countries by making the statement you’ve made based on your sub 1% incredibly high level of privilege. Your niche example can’t apply to the other 7.5 billion at least humans.
Let me get this straight, you’re saying that because some people hate their jobs, nobody is allowed to say a different job sucks? Or is it that nobody is allowed to enjoy their job?
And you’re saying that because some people are struggling financially nobody else is allowed to be doing okay financially and enjoying the fruits of their labor?
Get some perspective bro. Read the room!
Hinting at quitting streaming?
Praise be
Stop giving fuckheads attention. It’s the only way we can prevent further idiocracy. Attention focus matters.
Hell no
chat, is this real??
Chat, are we cooked?
Maybe
Oh yeah gang now it’s spicy
well a streamer is a wealthy persons game, most of them come form wealthy families, or well off its not like they have a job themselves. like some new ones about pets, how did you afford a house and getting married right out of college yea the parents paid for it?. some of these people look like they just graduated HS and have a house already/apartment. even though the 2 pet ones i followed seem nice, i wonder how you afford living on your own at 19-22, and it did not look like a shitty 1bedroom apartment, looks like a whole house, or a small one.
Like Olympians. It’s easy to reach when you have rocket boots and a safety net.
He’s right, normal jobs don’t completely take over your life or get you stalkers and death threats or make it impossible to exist in public without being harrassed. Success as a streamer is like any other kind of fame in that it results in a bunch of extra bullshit above and beyond the actual work that is uniquely psychologically exhausting.
Clown world
Totally get that. Is someone forcing him to be a streamer? Is it that hard to stop?
People are allowed to complain about their jobs regardless of their short/medium term plans
Is it hard to stop needing a job? Yeah actually, famous people still have bills.
Career change? Or start building skills while you’re a streamer so you can eventually transition out? I’m not saying it’s easy at all. Just possible
And?
You chose this, Hasan.
You.
I mean, it’s okay to complain about your job regardless of whether or not you plan on leaving it. Especially when you have what is literally many kids’ stated dream jobs, it’s kinda important to give those kids some perspective when they’re at an age that it’s easiest to shift gears into a different career
Don’t know if anyone cares about context, but this Know Your Meme page gives some more.
There’s a video about 1/2 way down where he explains what he meant.
Who cares at all about the cunt. He hasn’t made a good movie in decades
I never want to see that chipunk meme ever again
I’ve actually attempted live streaming. It totally sucks the joy out of sitting in front of a computer and zoning out playing your game. You start to go “Oh no I can’t play this game cuz I’m playing it on stream.”
I wasn’t majorly successful but I still made affiliate and had some regular watchers. The pressure to create content and be entertaining and stay engaged was too much for me and continue doing it all for the paltry sums that I was getting.
I could also feel the pressure to become someone I’m not to reach more people. Something I refused to do. In the end though I made enough money streaming to make up for all the equipment I bought for it. I ran out of real time to stream when I got a new job that demanded more time from me. I am making so much more money so much faster by just clocking in and out every day and i feel like I’m building my skills in the field I’m in instead of making me hate my entertainment options.
One guy I still really like to watch hit the perfect stride. He has a real job now, but he occasionally streams based on when he feels like, and has a pretty dedicated, very small, group of followers he feels safe around. He’s fine with ending stream early if there’s no real vibe.
He used to be much bigger, so he has the experience; he’s just fine with downsizing a bit, playing variety games, etc.
for me, streaming is a way for me to share my activity with my friends and have fun. i’ve given my friends many ways to interact with (bully) me on-stream, and it’s all good fun. if my social battery ever drains, i stop streaming for a few days.
i got my affiliate, and am currently not fussed about getting that partner. if i ever get popular, sure, that would be very cool, but honestly, i’m happy with sharing the joy with my friends.
Do you feel free to throw up a stream when you game how you really want now a days or have you retired entirely?
I haven’t booted up OBS in a few months now. It would be too much work for me to do. Make my hair look nice, make sure my lighting setup is just right, clean my room, set up my camera angle and then make sure that everything on stream is appropriate. Not copyrighted and all that stuff.
I think about it sometimes, but ultimately I might end up just doing it for fun on a self-hosted stream or something like that if I ever have time. I’ve been on a whole own my own digital footprint kick lately.
about the nice looking stuff, have you considered vtubing or even just pngtubing? that should take a bunch of pressure off having to look nice for the stream. they do take some initial setup (getting the vtuber model, setting up the vtubing software), but afterwards when you want to stream, you can just start up the software and you’re ready to go.
about copyrighted material, it’s mostly a matter of finding a playlist from specific stream-friendly labels, such as NoCopyrightSounds and Chillhop Music. they may require attribution in the form of a channel panel underneath your stream, but afterwards you’re free to stream and monetize.
I get that but like doing the same shit with excel and no audience instead also fucking sucks lol
True but when you have a moment where you just need to sit lean back, stretch, and say “argh I fucking hate excel”, you don’t have an audience arguing that you should love it. Or maybe you do have an audience but it’s colleagues who have similar experience and can commiserate or give advice about the latest annoyance if they know a trick.
well imagine theres like 15 people back seat driving your spreadsheets
Given how much I disagree with myself I effectively have that for everything. When I say everything I mean everything, can’t even jack off to porn without some stupid gremlin side of my psyche telling me 1/10 acting is shit not enough foreplay.
Omg you’re that guy who came in to argue with me about liberalism in the other thread, it makes complete sense that you’re a “fuck Hasan” guy. Are you an Asmongold fan?
Lmfao no, I think both are disgusting hypocrites. I’ve only ever heard from or learned about against my will. I don’t hitch my opinions to streamers in any way. I don’t remember you but I bet you were saying dumb shit
Dunno about him, but I am. What about it?
what the fuck? where did i do this? and no, i’m not an Asmongold fan. i think ALL streamers are scumbags and part of the problem. Hasan is the most least part of the problem, however i still dislike him
huh? I wasn’t directing that comment at you at all, what made you think it was directed at you?
Is this… Not a DM? It’s appearing on my end as DMs? Where are you seeing it?
Oh wow, that’s really strange! No, I wrote it as a top-level comment on this post. Here’s a link to the comment on my instance
That’s bonkers lol. I just opened my DMs and was like “what are you even talking about?!”
Obviously some code gremlins inside the Fediverse somewhere decided that you needed to be informed about two random people arguing about politics and low stakes streamer drama on the internet. The people must know!
Man what a huge disappointment given I find nothing of value in streamer drama. I’m sure it’s entertaining if you’re into that sort of thing but if I wanted unlikeable people yelling at eachother while crowds of people who already knew who they wanted to win and didn’t really care what the actual outcome was watched, I’d go to a backyard pro wrestling promotion lol
To emphasize: not trying to yuck anyone’s yum, but I have so many people in life come to me like I for sure definitely have a favorite streamer when how I try to engage with streamers and their opinions on things is I don’t lol
This is a comment on a lemmy.world post with a different author.
What client are you using?
Gremlins in the server again?
Default lemmy UI
Both sides.🤡
not what i’m saying, but whatever
edit: since you downvoted me witheut engaging at all, i’ll reiterate what i said before: Hasan is the most least worst streamer. if i am forced to recommend a streamer, he’s the one i’d recommend. i just don’t think that streamers offer much value, politically. people don’t really go to them and have their minds changed. that happens with in person activism. i think Hasan offers value in the form of propaganda presence, which i think all any of us can ever offer here on lemmy. however, if you really want to hear from someone useful, go to a soup kitchen run by a mutual aid project and talk to the people there about what to do about all this. where i’ll give hasan his roses is he’s generally speaking in alignment with people like that. however, my main criticism: streamers as a group aren’t great, remains my main criticism
Breaks my heart witnessing the struggle he has to go through day by day, selflessly giving his all, slaving away under the thumb of damn capitalist pigs. Stay strong comrade, working class unite 🫶
Damn almost ragebaited me, good shit
And I thought I was being a good troll.
I think there is a lot to be said for the emotional load someone like Hasan deals with. We are talking thousands of death threats and vitriol, swatting, psyops, debate bros etc etc. The soul sucking is mental and different, not going to assume this was him saying he has it harder like this out of context meme is trying to portray.
Its very much the same as standup comedy. Its 100% you.
If people dont watch its because YOU arent entertaining enough, YOU arent likeable enough, YOU arent putting in enough effort and energy, YOU dont bring anything new to the table, YOU dont take enough risks… Theres no team, theres no band, theres no coworkers, its all on you. Thats a lot to hang your entire livelihood on.
I could only do streaming or a YT if I had “never work again” money because without the pressure I probably could be fun and entertaining the whole time.
The fuck he does. He’s a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.
How does Hasan grift?
Genuinely what is wrong with you that you think getting constant death threats and harassment is “stress free”?
Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.
I don’t think he has much of an emotional load because he’s a sociopath. His entire thing is a complete grift…and boy does it sell… And apparently you’re buying!
I wouldn’t worry too much about his feelings or lack thereof, He seems to find great comfort in his material wealth and assets.
I don’t think he’s a grifter. He stopped running ads as soon as his contract with Twitch was over, doesn’t do sponsorships, doesn’t sell nutritional supplements, lets “fan channels” repost his content, personally donates to candidates and causes, runs donation streams, etc. I guess he does sell merch, made by union shops. I’m pretty sure most his income comes from subscribers. I think he could make much more money doing the things listed above if he wanted to. I don’t particularly like his personality, and he does seem to be fairly consumeristic and vain, but I don’t think he’s a grifter.
It’s no use, my friend. There’s like a dozen shit-posters here who aren’t interested in doing anything except doing drive-by disinfo dumps on Hasan so that anyone not in-the-know in the thread genuinely asking “who is Hasan” gets to poison the well on digging any further…
Like someone says “who is this?” and then someone replying “oh that guy? He likes Hitler” and then most people will go “Oh ok I don’t need to look up anything else on this Bernie Sanders guy I guess then since that person who seems to be knowledgeable said he likes Hitler…”
It’s so odd to me how this guy has some of the most diehard fans on the internet. Like Hasan is literal multimillionaire streamer who doesn’t give two shits about you, why do you defend him so hard? You’re not even willing to consider the possibility that some of the criticism against him might be valid, you’re just dismissing it all as disinfo, and that’s absolutely wild to me.
Why does him being a “multi millionaire” mean I have to hate him? In today’s world that’s just owning a successful small business. Not the filthy rich Scrooge McDuck kinda shit you’re implying it is.
I’m not even really a diehard fan. I don’t subscribe to his Twitch. Never paid him any money. Never have attempted to chat with him or commented on any of his videos… I will say - just based off his publicly verifiable actions, he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans… or Hell… any of his supporters… shit… or the president does probably of any of the president’s own family.
And in this day, I figure if I’m gonna get news from a handful of sources, I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.
What seems odd to me is that - because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims - somehow we are supposed to pretend that simply pointing that out makes people “die-hard fans?”
Hasan Piker isn’t some saint, but he seems to use at least some sizeable portion of his wealth to give voices to people who are not otherwise given a large platform… or those running for office who - as far as you can reasonably believe - would attempt to improve the material conditions of the overwhelming majority of NON-rich people…
Yet all you want to focus on is debunked dog shock memes mostly peddled by fans of far more problematic streamers as if they are true, or on the dude’s wealth that he acquires mostly through just streaming… not hocking bullshit… not shitty supplements, or by peddling misinformation or crypto / gambling schemes, or shitty snack foods and hyper-caffeinated drinks.
I DID consider the possibility once that the guy shocked his dog… but I’ve seen enough videos of him absolutely loving the shit out of her and walking with her and him holding her in his lap and calling friends he asked to babysit her when he was out of town just to check in on her to know that he’s not a dog abuser.
As far as I have seen, Hasan never has raised a hand at Kaya, and if he did, you would see her wince when he reached for her any one of the thousands of times he’s put his hands toward her.
I’ve seen abused dogs. That dog is not one of them. She is treated like royalty.
In summary - there seems to be a lot of bullshit out there about this guy. If you’ve got something real to share that you think is truly convincing that this guy is a real piece of shit - other than fake dog shock outrage memes, the “America deserved 9-11” clip, or the “ah I see you are rich, but if you were truly of the left, you would be poor!” critique that one webcomic makes fun of with the “we should improve society somewhat” well goblin gag, please share.
Otherwise, I think I’ve wasted way too much of my free time attempting to rebut all of the seemingly bad faith claims made by those who refuse to either engage in the video evidence provided, or have yet to reply back with any citable video or other sort of proof to further back up any of the pretty dubious claims made regarding how supposedly terrible this guy Hasan Piker is.
As far as political streamers with fanbases under 30, he’s one of the few alternatives to the manosphere types and groypers. People can have a kneejerk reaction to defend someone those groups routinely target.
You’re not willing to understand confirmation bias lol.
Why shouldn’t we strive towards the truth?
He’s 100% a grifter, it’s baffling how anyone can deny this. Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices. He preaches against consummerism, but he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry. In fact that’s all he ever wears on any of his streams. He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood. Like what are we even talking about? This guy is grifter through and through, just because he doesn’t grift in the same way as Alex Jones, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t one.
Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.
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Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Thats my motto
Hey now, those are our material wealth and assets. However, my share apperaently getting lost in the mail along with my Soros protest check 😕
Da = Russian for yes
srael = the modern Nazis you like
Did I interpret that right?
That’s probably just an original nickname meant to sound angelic. Ezrael isn’t just someone who just nuked Israel and showed how EZ pwning them is. No matter what they said, you are an arse.
Hey thanks for stepping in for them and explaining doesn’t seem weird at all.
Thats not true
You are incorrect
You can’t even spell that
That
Wrong
Actually, if you want a real answer, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
So, wrong.
What do you mean?
If someone explains something you disagree with, you have to actually explain why you think they’re wrong. Conversely, if you just say ‘nuh uh’, then ‘nuh uh’ is enough to prove you completely wrong.
I didn’t disagree with anything
Brilliant deduction, Holmes
Thanks babe 😘
I don’t have any further context, but he’s got a point.
Sure, physical jobs are physically demanding and the monotony can be taxing. Even customer service jobs are mentally and emotionally taxing, but at the end of the day you’re just a rando in a uniform. You’re selling your skills and labor, you can be yourself off the clock.
Streaming is selling your personality, your perspectives, your values. With lots of viewers, you’re exposing yourself to criticism for every opinion you express. You basically live every day with your identity under the microscope of thousands of anonymous critics. Either you deal with constant character attacks, or you commodify your personality until it’s basically unrecognizable.
“Real jobs” don’t really attack your soul in the same way, because your soul isn’t the product. Aside from certain kinds of celebrities that are basically streamers anyway, it is a pretty unique struggle. At least actors are portraying characters, and can separate themselves from their roles. Streamers are the roles. The line between self and curated content is pretty heavily blurred, it really is a singular kind of soul-sucking.
No, he doesn’t. What kind of out of touch, giga privileged perspective is that?
Being a streamer is one of the most comfortable careers in the world. You get to set your own times, you get to be your own boss, you get to do it from the comfort of your own home, and you get to keep all the money you make. That type of freedom, ownership, and flexibility is something that most people could only dream of. The very idea of owning your own businesses and making a good living from it is very appealing, which is so many people try to be content creators.
Most people fail at it because they don’t treat it like a serious job, they think just putting a camera in front of them is enough for the money to start rolling in, but that’s never true. Professional streamers, like Hasan, treat it like a real job. You have this misconception that streaming becomes your life, but that’s not true. Professional streamers have very firm boundaries between their personal lives and their work. They follow very strict streaming and uploading schedules, they have carefully curated and tweaked online persona that’s designed to attract and maintain an audience, and they’re very careful to not do anything that hurts their brand image with their core audience. They also make sure to never interact with or seek out how people talk about them online, because going down that rabbit hole will lead to your career’s demise, so most professionals don’t do this.
So the struggles that you’re attributing to Hasan aren’t really there. He has a private life different from his career, his streaming persona is different from his real personality, and he intentionally ignores what people say about him online. Does streaming require effort and commitment? Sure. Does it come with its own pressure and risks? Sure, it’s like any other job. Is it soul sucking? Not in the least.
Compare streaming to something actually soul sucking like construction work. As a construction worker, you have to commute to the construction site 5 days a week, you have to work long shifts outside, you get little to no breaks, you have deal with annoying managers who micromanage everything you do, you have to work your ass off to meet very tight deadlines or else you could get fired, you have to deal with loud noises and strong smells all day, you work in a dangerous environment that requires you to be alert at all time, you have to constantly lift and move heavy things and do physical maneuvers that are taxing on the body for long periods of time… all for paycheck that’s just a bit over minimum wage. When you clock out, you’re so exhausted physically and mentally, you feel like a zombie. You can’t do anything for the rest of the day besides eating a meal, taking a shower, and going to sleep… because you have to repeat everything again the next day and the next and the next. Before you know it, years have passed and you life hasn’t progressed at all because you don’t have time, money, or energy to do anything. Now THAT is soul sucking.
Calling streaming soul sucking feels very off to me. You don’t understand just how many people are willing to give up their crappy jobs to become streaming provocateurs.
That’s bullshit. Real jobs are physically demanding AND soul sucking. He has the luxury of a soul sucking job where he sits on his ass. Count your blessings.
They really aren’t. I’ve worked quite a few different kinds of “real jobs”, and my soul was not sucked out. Maybe I put on a bit of a mask in customer-facing roles, but that’s temporary. All my customer-facing roles involved making myself a sort of blank company representative. No one cared about me or my identity, just my ability to navigate the customer’s demands of the business.
No “real job” has ever made any demands of my actual personality or identity. I was never judged on my opinions. I never had to modify my personality to cater to critics to secure income. That is a unique struggle of streamers. You can compare and contrast the physical difficulty or monotony of other jobs, but that wasn’t the claim. The claim is that streaming sucks out your soul in its own particular way.
No “real job” has ever made any demands of my actual personality or identity.
I see you’ve never worked in sales
I think sales touches on it, but still the persona you adopt is a “sales representative”. You are selling a product, your insincerity is locked to the product, with a few curated pithy anecdotes to flesh out the role. It’s closer to acting. You’re using charisma to make the sale, but you still take your hat off at the end of the day. You interact with a few individuals over the course of the day, and likely never see them again. If you do have an ongoing relationship with clients, it’s one-on-one and segregated. And you can choose how much you want to rely on a persona, you can do sales from a position of relative sincerity if you actually believe in the product.
With streamers, their identity is the product. They aren’t using charisma to sell cars or vacuum cleaners or medical equipment, they are selling their personality. A sales representative doesn’t have to change their being when market research demands a change in product. If a streamer wants to change their product, they have to change themselves, or at least their persistent persona. Because it isn’t one-on-one and segregated, they have to be their persona all the time for thousands of anonymous commenters at once. It’s fundamentally existential. You can’t do it another way, it’s endemic to the industry
I worked many real jobs too and they absolutely were soul-sucking. You are fortunate your jobs didn’t suck that hard and your experience is not universal.
Steaming may be soul-sucking in unique ways, but that doesn’t negate the ways other jobs can be soul-sucking. If we’re all soulless husks at the end of the day, what the fuck does it matter how you got there?
Steaming may be soul-sucking in unique ways
Yes, that was the entire claim. No one said other jobs don’t suck out your soul. The only claims were that there is a way which is unique to streaming, and that it’s basically universal in the industry. No one’s trying to negate the fact that other jobs suck.
You literally did…
“Real jobs don’t attack your soul in the same way” comprehension
I said real jobs are physically demanding and soul sucking. You literally replied they really aren’t, and then went on to elaborate on how you didn’t believe they were soul-sucking. Sure thing bud. I have no reason to humor your lying ass. Bye felicia.
