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    I think there is a lot to be said for the emotional load someone like Hasan deals with. We are talking thousands of death threats and vitriol, swatting, psyops, debate bros etc etc. The soul sucking is mental and different, not going to assume this was him saying he has it harder like this out of context meme is trying to portray.

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      Its very much the same as standup comedy. Its 100% you.

      If people dont watch its because YOU arent entertaining enough, YOU arent likeable enough, YOU arent putting in enough effort and energy, YOU dont bring anything new to the table, YOU dont take enough risks… Theres no team, theres no band, theres no coworkers, its all on you. Thats a lot to hang your entire livelihood on.

      I could only do streaming or a YT if I had “never work again” money because without the pressure I probably could be fun and entertaining the whole time.

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      The fuck he does. He’s a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.

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        Genuinely what is wrong with you that you think getting constant death threats and harassment is “stress free”?

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          He’s a professional provocateur. He knows what he’s doing, and he voluntarily chooses to keep doing it anyway. You’re making it sound like he doesn’t have always have the option to retreat to a private life at any time if he chooses to.

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        Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.

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          I have a hard time believing that this guy is living some hellish, extremely stressful life because he voluntarily chose to make a career out of being a professional provocateur from the comfort of his own home.

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      I don’t think he has much of an emotional load because he’s a sociopath. His entire thing is a complete grift…and boy does it sell… And apparently you’re buying!

      I wouldn’t worry too much about his feelings or lack thereof, He seems to find great comfort in his material wealth and assets.

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        I don’t think he’s a grifter. He stopped running ads as soon as his contract with Twitch was over, doesn’t do sponsorships, doesn’t sell nutritional supplements, lets “fan channels” repost his content, personally donates to candidates and causes, runs donation streams, etc. I guess he does sell merch, made by union shops. I’m pretty sure most his income comes from subscribers. I think he could make much more money doing the things listed above if he wanted to. I don’t particularly like his personality, and he does seem to be fairly consumeristic and vain, but I don’t think he’s a grifter.

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          It’s no use, my friend. There’s like a dozen shit-posters here who aren’t interested in doing anything except doing drive-by disinfo dumps on Hasan so that anyone not in-the-know in the thread genuinely asking “who is Hasan” gets to poison the well on digging any further…

          Like someone says “who is this?” and then someone replying “oh that guy? He likes Hitler” and then most people will go “Oh ok I don’t need to look up anything else on this Bernie Sanders guy I guess then since that person who seems to be knowledgeable said he likes Hitler…”

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            It’s so odd to me how this guy has some of the most diehard fans on the internet. Like Hasan is literal multimillionaire streamer who doesn’t give two shits about you, why do you defend him so hard? You’re not even willing to consider the possibility that some of the criticism against him might be valid, you’re just dismissing it all as disinfo, and that’s absolutely wild to me.

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              Why does him being a “multi millionaire” mean I have to hate him? In today’s world that’s just owning a successful small business. Not the filthy rich Scrooge McDuck kinda shit you’re implying it is.

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                I was just making the point that Hasan is in it for himself. This is clearly his business and he’s raking in the cash because of it. He does not care about how people online view him or what criticisms people have of him. That’s why I find it weird that he has all these ride or die stans who are willing to wear their shining armor and go to great lengths to defend him on online forums against any and all criticism, no matter how valid.

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              I’m not even really a diehard fan. I don’t subscribe to his Twitch. Never paid him any money. Never have attempted to chat with him or commented on any of his videos… I will say - just based off his publicly verifiable actions, he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans… or Hell… any of his supporters… shit… or the president does probably of any of the president’s own family.

              And in this day, I figure if I’m gonna get news from a handful of sources, I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.

              What seems odd to me is that - because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims - somehow we are supposed to pretend that simply pointing that out makes people “die-hard fans?”

              Hasan Piker isn’t some saint, but he seems to use at least some sizeable portion of his wealth to give voices to people who are not otherwise given a large platform… or those running for office who - as far as you can reasonably believe - would attempt to improve the material conditions of the overwhelming majority of NON-rich people…

              Yet all you want to focus on is debunked dog shock memes mostly peddled by fans of far more problematic streamers as if they are true, or on the dude’s wealth that he acquires mostly through just streaming… not hocking bullshit… not shitty supplements, or by peddling misinformation or crypto / gambling schemes, or shitty snack foods and hyper-caffeinated drinks.

              I DID consider the possibility once that the guy shocked his dog… but I’ve seen enough videos of him absolutely loving the shit out of her and walking with her and him holding her in his lap and calling friends he asked to babysit her when he was out of town just to check in on her to know that he’s not a dog abuser.

              As far as I have seen, Hasan never has raised a hand at Kaya, and if he did, you would see her wince when he reached for her any one of the thousands of times he’s put his hands toward her.

              I’ve seen abused dogs. That dog is not one of them. She is treated like royalty.

              In summary - there seems to be a lot of bullshit out there about this guy. If you’ve got something real to share that you think is truly convincing that this guy is a real piece of shit - other than fake dog shock outrage memes, the “America deserved 9-11” clip, or the “ah I see you are rich, but if you were truly of the left, you would be poor!” critique that one webcomic makes fun of with the “we should improve society somewhat” well goblin gag, please share.

              Otherwise, I think I’ve wasted way too much of my free time attempting to rebut all of the seemingly bad faith claims made by those who refuse to either engage in the video evidence provided, or have yet to reply back with any citable video or other sort of proof to further back up any of the pretty dubious claims made regarding how supposedly terrible this guy Hasan Piker is.

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                I’m not even really a diehard fan.

                You wouldn’t write this novel sized comment if this was the case lol

                he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans

                How does this in any way disprove my point that he doesn’t give a shit about what people say about hime online both positive and negative?

                I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.

                This is horrible lol. Credibility of news should depend on their accuracy and objectivity, not how much they align with your preexisting news. What you’re describing here is just confirmation bias.

                because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims

                What in the fuck are you even talking about? What does this have to do with what I said? You choose to make up criticisms that neither I nor anybody else here made, and then wrote paragraphs upon paragraphs “debunking” them. The only thing you proved here is that you’re cartoonish caricature of the type of person I’m criticizing.

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              As far as political streamers with fanbases under 30, he’s one of the few alternatives to the manosphere types and groypers. People can have a kneejerk reaction to defend someone those groups routinely target.

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                Is this not just the the lesser of two evils argument? It isn’t as convincing to me when it’s about political streamers that you voluntarily choose to consume in your free time vs consequential national elections with candidates who you had little influence in choosing.

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                  There’s not a lesser of two evils argument there, so it makes sense it’d be unconvincing.

                  This is more of a ‘judge him by his enemies’ type thing.

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                    Wouldn’t it make more sense to judge him on his own merits rather than the merits of his perceived enemies?

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                That’s actually the point I’m trying to make. The person I’m replying to is trying to dismiss ALL criticisms against Hasan as disinformation, which I think is absolutely ridiculous as it’s based in the notion that no valid criticisms can exist against this guy.

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          You’re looking for reasons as to why he isn’t while ignoring all the reasons that he is. And it’s not his merch, it’s all the shit that is swept for him. It’s all right there in plain sight.

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          He’s 100% a grifter, it’s baffling how anyone can deny this. Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices. He preaches against consummerism, but he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry. In fact that’s all he ever wears on any of his streams. He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood. Like what are we even talking about? This guy is grifter through and through, just because he doesn’t grift in the same way as Alex Jones, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t one.

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            Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices.

            “How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists”

            Also in the present race to the bottom if you have standards that you expect your comparatively small run of clothing to meet (such as that the clothing is made by union laborers in decent working conditions) compared to say whatever clothing is being sold in big box stores, you have to expect that it will cost more.

            Now if it came out that his merch was made in a sweatshop in Bangladesh and of lousy quality that would be a completely different story

            he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry

            Buying better quality stuff can improve one’s quality of life compared to whatever’s cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through. If you can afford to buy something nice for yourself that you like, why not?

            He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood.

            Soooo he’s hoarding his wealth? Or he’s spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country’s standards. Seriously.

            Like, clearly your problem is the classic “why do you a communist own an iPhone” but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person. People can have different opinions but I don’t think it’s unfair for someone who was able to get themselves into a position where they have some wealth to spend and enjoy that wealth, especially one who actively campaigns and lobbies in the interest of the working class and against their own interests.

            The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There’s about 24 million millionaires in the US, there’s only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There’s a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries

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              “How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists”

              This is such a grossly disingenuous talking point by his stans because it exists solely to dismiss criticism against Hasan, even if it contradicts your own principles.

              I am not one of those people who thinks that he’s a hypocrite for not living in abject poverty. It’s completely reasonable anybody, including socialists, to seek a comfortable life in a capitalist society. However, there is a very big difference between participating in society and living in luxury. The former is something you have to do, but the latter is a conscious and unnecessary choice. Which again, would’ve been fine if he was honest with his audience… but he isn’t.

              If you can’t see the difference between a socialist who buys nothing but $7000 suits and $200,000 sports cars and someone who has an iPhone and Rav4, then that’s on you. My point stands.

              you have to expect that it will cost more.

              You’re falling for the grift, this is a part of his marketing. His gimmick is that the clothes are union made domestically, which he uses to justify the ridiculously high prices. However, that is NOT the reason why the prices are as high as they are. He constantly runs a lot promotions and sales events, which means that he’s not selling his merch at the minimum necessary to keep the operation going in order to give his customers the best deal, but he’s selling his products at a very juicy profit.

              Buying better quality stuff can improve one’s quality of life compared to whatever’s cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through.

              You fundamentally misunderstand the point I’m making. The price isn’t the point, the reasons behind why the prices are so high is. Keep in mind, there are a lot of other clothing companies that use only union labor and manufacture domestically like AllAmericanClothing.com, but their prices are damn near half of what Hasan is selling his at.

              Soooo he’s hoarding his wealth? Or he’s spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country’s standards.

              What point are you even trying to make? They’re one and the same. He’s raking money left and right and he’s using that money to indulge himself on a life of luxury at the expense of his audience.

              Like, clearly your problem is the classic “why do you a communist own an iPhone” but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person.

              But the reason why I called this disingenuous is because it is very reductionist. This entire talking point exists to intentionally kill the nuance and thus render the criticism as something silly. It’s like someone criticizing a preachy vegan who eats meat every time they go out, and then having another person come to their defense by saying something like “why are criticizing them? Are vegans not allowed to eat?”. Like clearly that’s not the point being made, you’re being obtuse on purpose.

              The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There’s about 24 million millionaires in the US, there’s only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There’s a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries

              Again, you’re missing the point. The scale doesn’t matter, I’m criticizing the behavior. There’s a clear world of difference between a pair of grandparents owning a home for 50 years and that is now valued at over a million dollars, and someone like Hasan who’s living a live of wealth and luxury. If Hasan just lived a comfortable life and used his wealth in accordance to the principles he preaches then nobody would have an issue, but he doesn’t and thus he’s being criticized for it. It’s that simple.

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            Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.

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        Hey now, those are our material wealth and assets. However, my share apperaently getting lost in the mail along with my Soros protest check 😕

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          Ya so, my name has nothing to do with any of that silliness. I’ve had it for like 15 years online. But thanks for the amusing schizorant. I’m not into dehumanizing anyone, but you far rad leftists seem to be happy doing that, the same evil that nazi’s embody you’re happy to exercise yourself. Have fun with that.

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          That’s probably just an original nickname meant to sound angelic. Ezrael isn’t just someone who just nuked Israel and showed how EZ pwning them is. No matter what they said, you are an arse.