• TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Veganism is unnatural because we’re all omnivores, and evolved eating both plants and animals.

    Impregnating cows this way is also unnatural.

    Both can be true.

      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        that’s a choice by an individual. doesn’t change how their body behaves due to millions of years of evolution.

        ironically, the thing that gave them the ability to make the choice to be vegan is the thing they are rebelling against. high volumes of protein, specifically those from consuming the brains and muscle of prey, allowed the species to grow larger and more complex brains.

        in a few million years vegans are going to be too stupid to make the choice for themselves and will return to consuming meat because they’re omnivorous.

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          2 months ago

          By your logic, obligate carnivores would have the larger brains. Humans are obligate omnivores. Studies show no significant differences in cognitive function, cardiovascular risk, or bone health when vegan diets meet recommended dietary allowance levels. Animal protein contributed during the evolution of the human brain, but the development was driven by cooking. Cooking externalized the energy required for digesting food, which allowed for a reduction of jaws/jaw muscles, and especially gut size, freeing energy that could be used by the brain instead.

          Also, the brain is fueled by glucose, not protein …

    • hector@lemmy.todayBanned from community
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      2 months ago

      Our monkey, or rather ape, ancestors were more vegan than meat eater.

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        2 months ago

        More vegan.

        What a curious phrase. Not just for the substitution of vegetarian for vegan, but for the use of “more”. More vegan. I thought it was binary. Are there partial vegans? I thought that wasn’t allowed.

        Because my diet includes more calories and nutrition from plant matter than meat most days, am I more vegan now?

    • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
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      2 months ago

      Not only that, but also vegan diet is literally making people crazy (or crazy people are more often on vegan diet, dealer’s choice).

      Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2020.1741505#abstract

      The majority of studies, and especially the higher quality studies, showed that those who avoided meat consumption had significantly higher rates or risk of depression, anxiety, and/or self-harm behaviors. There was mixed evidence for temporal relations, but study designs and a lack of rigor precluded inferences of causal relations. Our study does not support meat avoidance as a strategy to benefit psychological health.

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        2 months ago

        I think people on the left as whole would be more prone to depression and anxiety too. People who care about the world are generally more concious, more self-aware and critical, which turn into more worrying and at the extreme, anxiety.

      • bitflip@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 months ago

        I mean, the part you cited already mentioned it but later in the study it’s stated even more clearly:

        Across all studies, there was no evidence to support a causal relation between the consumption or avoidance of meat and any psychological outcomes.

        • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
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          2 months ago

          A sentence later it says

          These authors posited that mental disorders may lead to the adoption of a meat-less diet. The authors stated that individuals with mental disorders may “choose a vegetarian diet as a form of safety or self-protective behavior”

          And I wrote

          or crazy people are more often on vegan diet, dealer’s choice

          • bearboiblake@pawb.social
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            2 months ago

            You wrote

            vegan diet is literally making people crazy

            You were wrong about that, just walk it back dude, it’s not a big deal, it’s okay to be wrong about things.

            Also, people with anxiety and depression aren’t widely considered to be “crazy”.

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                2 months ago

                I am honestly and genuinely trying to help you out here. I used to struggle to accept when I was wrong about something because it made me feel stupid, but in reality, people actually respect you a lot more when you demonstrate that you can admit when you’re wrong about things.

                You don’t need to concede the whole argument, just a simple “oh yeah, you’re right, the first part was definitely wrong, but I stand by the second part” would be a solid step in the right direction.

                Anyways, feel free to take my advice or not, I don’t really care about the thing you’re arguing about, I just saw someone who I thought I could maybe help avoid some of the problems I had in life.

                All the best!

                • goedel@discuss.tchncs.de
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                  2 months ago

                  what they said is true.

                  I used to struggle to accept when I was wrong about something

                  you still have this problem