The struggle is worse the older you get.
Ingesting them counts as consent. It’s like those banners reading: “By continuing to use this site you agree to our privacy policy.”
I keep telling my burger “no”, but it won’t respond, so I keep biting it until it will.
“If you legitimately don’t consent to the calories, the body has a way of trying to shut that whole thing down.” - Todd Akin
Sort of describes bulimia I guess
diarrhea also helps
Now replace calories with rape
The one fad diet doctors really dont want you to know about!
I believe that was the reference yes
That sounds terrible.
Jokes on you I got some sort of undiagnosed malabsorption issues and won’t get fat even when I eat burgers and candy and alcohol day after day.
Coeliac disease? Does your poop float?
That sounds like a very expensive chronic issue.
Nice superpower.
Sort of and also not. Not getting energy from food also means I have no energy for you know, existing.
So while I might not need to worry about getting fat, I’ve also nowhere to display not being fat.
I tend to sleep quite a lot.
Do you do any sports? I’m the same. Can eat as much as and whatever I want, while always staying under 60kg (I’m 176cm).
Counter intuitively, I am healthier and have more energy since I started doing endurance sports (cycling). My weight got down to 48kg at one point before I started exercising, but I’m consistently around 57-58kg now. It increased my appetite and I eat even more now, but I feel infinitely better. Plus I have the perfect body for endurance. I’m not strong, but I can keep going for very long time and being light means I’m really good at going uphill.
eep sleep
And “ight sleep”. Like aaaight, that waa good enough. Lol.
it’s deep and light ofc they scroll the text and I toon a bad photo
It’s extra funny because there’s enough space to not scroll the text.
Actually it’d cut the p out of the end, even though there is room, the time on the right has a little black on the left. REM sleep fits but Deep Sleep would be Deep Slee maybe with a bit of the p showing. But yeah it could be designed so that it would’ve fit I think
Youve prob tried everything but have you tried modafinil, was hyped up as a limitless pill (is nowhere near it ofch) but you dont feel sleepy on it and thats what the army uses it for or used it for at some point.
I can vouch that it works, doesnt feel like a stimulant like adderal or energy drinks, just don’t feel sleepy yet can sleep if you choose to.
I haven’t tried modafinil no. Should give it a whack if any comes available. I used to have a classmate who was on it but that was 10+ year’s ago and I didn’t really know him.
What actually worked best was the very plain diet but I just… it’s just so boring eating nothing but rice and gluten free fish sticks. But then I started to be able to just easily sleep 6 hours and get up. Felt like a real person. Because genuinely oftentimes if I try to get up but haven’t gotten enough rest, I’ll be worse off than when I’ve had a bottle of rum. Like my eyes won’t go straight and I can’t really get up properly.
Although I have to admit that some of these later long sleeps have been contributed to by the new meds I got for a broken rib, amitriptyline or the like. But it’s alaovi used for IBS and depression, and neither of those are going amiss for me basically.
But man it’s tiring. Idk how that would help anyone with depression. I mean yeah I care less about being tired and am not as annoyed about sleeping more than half the day but I don’t feel like it’s really helped my depression at all if it keeps me asleep for more than half the day.
But even without it I have issues. And I open curtains and have automatic lights to come on full at a decent wakeup time.
But yeah I could give modafinil a whack if i had some idk. But I think I’ll just have to to back to rice/fish/potatoes/chicken diet.
no no it is not.
being a bag of skeletons that do not like each other, eating 5000 calories a day and losing weight, that is not fun.
Yeah luckily I don’t have it quite that bad, (especially after I went on an exclusion diet and slowly added things to a really plain diet and sort of figured a bit what works what doesn’t) but, yes, I definitely agree with you. Not fun.
I’d rather be fat and jolly than slim and super cranky from constantly being in some weird state of mild starvation. But it’s so mild and I make sure to supplement vitamins and whatnot so none of my basic lab-work is showing anything too far out of the ordinary, so the busy public doctors can’t be bothered to look into it since to them everything seems fine. Even when I can show them almost a years worth of literally shit pics, me having taken photographs of my stinky and floating orange poo. (I sent them to a spam-email I have so I don’t have to keep them in my phone’s gallery.)
I had a massive infection when I was that. It wasn’t just the malabsorption with me, but doctors insist you can only have one health problem at a time. I’m down to 3500 now and maintaining a healthy weight, so 👍
I don’t want to practice medicine online, but if I had started smoking weed I’d middle school I’d have way more organs than I do now. There’s some small literature about it but Jennifer refuses to publish. Thinks she has to wait until I’m dead and we have had that problem before.
I started smoking weed about around 16 or 18. Not often. But pretty daily from my mid 20’s at least. Definitely helps with eating and nausea or gi-pain. (Sitting on the toilet for an hour or two is much easier when you also have a bong and a phone with you.)
I don’t have a lot of infections and am generally “within normal parameters” as like you say, the doctors can only think there’s a single problem at a time. And at least here I always get a new doctor for most visits and I get like 30 min meeting every blue moon.
The public doctors kinda suck for complex, chronic issues. And I can’t afford private ones to that extent.
I don’t think my malabsorption is quite as bad as yours, but then I also randomly get seizures, to which I’ve gotten zero explanations for. Tested for epilepsy and had and MRI and whatnot, but nothing. But since Finland is kinda backwards when it comes to cannabis, they blamed it on my “drug use”. (Even though I have high CBD strains and they’re literally anti-convulsants to a degree iirc.)
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Addicted to alcohol: Stop drinking. You can’t control an addiction so you have to completely stop.
Addicted to cigarettes: Stop smoking. You can’t control an addiction so you have to completely stop.
Addicted to crack: Stop smoking crack. You can’t control an addiction so you have to completely stop.
Addicted to food: Must be your fault for being weak-willed. Just don’t consume so much of that thing that you’re addicted to. You can control your addiction. Just stop being a loser…
The literal solution to every addiction is stop it, cold turkey. One Day At A Time. But you can’t stop eating food. You’ll die.
So it’s as if an alcoholic has to constantly have just a little alcohol. Or a crackhead has to keep smoking crack, but only every once in a while. No problem, just control yourself…
I’m sure telling people that they’re pieces of shit for eating food will fix the problem, eventually. We just have to try a little harder.
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That’s all true, and it’s all pointless.
It doesn’t matter whose fault it is or how hard it is. There literally is only one person who can fix your obesity, and it’s you. Yes, that’s hard. Yes, that sucks. But it’s also the only way.
Discussing whose fault it is and what of blame there should be is, at an individual level, completely pointless. There is one person in charge of what you eat, and it’s you. Factors may influence it, but in the end, you move the food to your mouth. You are the only person in the universe who can fix the situation, and if you don’t, it won’t get fixed.
Taking the position that you’re a powerless victim of circumstances will just hurt. Admitting that you’re obese because you eat too much, and that you can control how much you eat, will help fix your problems.
Every time you hear someone say “it’s my thyroid” or “I have PCOS” or “I can’t afford the gym”, or “I have a food addiction” or “I have BED” as an excuse, you’re talking to someone who sees themselves as a victim rather than the person who can fix their problem. All those things might be true, but none of those issues move food into your mouth. You do that, and you can stop doing that because you’re a thinking human being and not a seacucumber or a daffodil.
Getting from “I am obese” to “I am keeping myself obese” was very hard too. It requires taking ownership of your mistakes, it requires introspection. And then you go into a long and uncomfortable process of fixing the problem you caused, and it sucks. Losing weight is shit. Feeling hungry sucks, and it sucks 24/7. But damn, losing weight feels amazing and it’s all worth it.
Congratulations on your weight loss. You are correct that it is such a psychological battle to place yourself at the helm.
After having kids I really struggled with losing the weight. Now it probably was hormonal, but naming the reason doesn’t take the weight off. I had to accept that I was going to have to work harder than some people. That there is no such thing as fair - just because some tiny person can eat a double cheeseburger with fries and not gain weight does not mean that my body will afford me that same luxury.
Once I realized that there was really no way out but creating a calorie differential, I started logging calories. When my brain begged me to snack constantly I ate cherry tomatoes or cucumber slices. I worked my ass off at the gym. And I would go weeks without dropping a single pound before my body finally would give a few up all at once. But there is no such thing as easy weight loss, and you are so correct that you have to force yourself to be the boss.
Thanks for this, I had an idea about food addiction but that explanation puts it in perspective.
Companies also try to make foods as addictive as possible and as flashy as possible. It’s like avoiding the constant casino ads as a gambling addict, but you had to keep stepping into a casino every week forever and only doing low bets.
but you had to keep stepping into a casino every week forever and only doing low bets.
at least 3 times a day, plus once in a while in between, maybe on your phone.
good luck not going bankrupt
The way chemicals interact with dopamine, some of those substances are a LOT harder than others. You just need to change the food you eat. I found fasting easier than meticulous dieting. I had the willpower and was enable to accept the simplicity of simply not eating.
Oh for sure…fasting is waaay easier. That’s kinda my point. Fasting is literally not eating.
Unfortunately you can’t just do it forever. Well I mean, you can…
That’s just one approach to addiction. Personally, I think it assumes people are weak with no self-control, which seems to be exactly the argument you’re making.
The emphasis on abstinence and any exposure at all being a failure might even make binging more likely if someone gives in just a little, as their counter is now reset, so might as well take advantage.
And the obsession/fascination with the addiction target continues or even gets ramped up.
I like the moderation approach a lot better. I don’t binge drink every weekend anymore, but if I do feel like having a drink every now and then, I just do instead of spiraling because I need to treat it like some sort of personal failure.
on top of that, if someone is using excess food to “self medicate” issues like… IDK, anxiety? by forcing the body to go from the Sympathetic nervous system response to the Parasympathetic nervous system response… yeah. Fun coping mechanism makes one fat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasympathetic_nervous_system
I control my addictions by limiting supply. I buy a fifth of bourbon and a case of beer once a month and that’s what I get. If I go on a bender for a week and run out tough shit.
I don’t have problems with overeating but if I did my strategy would be to have a limited supply of things I don’t have to cook. No chips or soda or sugary bullshit. Just full ingredients that have to be prepped and cooked. When I did cook or order food it would be in an amount that’s appropriate. Add friction between me and the things that are a problem for me so it’s easier to put off consuming them. Maybe that would work. I don’t know.
I also have an abhorrence for delivery services so that helps too.
The bourbon and the case of beer are just empty calories and cancer-causing carcinogens. They’re an escape but there are other escapes out there that won’t harm you.
I’m open to suggestions. I’ve tried weed but it doesn’t do it for me. Also alcohol lets me have fun socializing instead of just getting stressed out. I’ll take the trade off.
Suggestion: LSD or LSD analogues in an amount just north of a micro dose. Have had folks report back feeling alert, chatty, and very open to having silly and/or indepth conversations with strangers. That and (compared to a night of drinking) waking up feeling like a million bucks, if a little tired depending on how late they stayed up as a result.
Your mileage may vary (perhaps significantly), but hey, it’s an honest suggestion. Comes with its own risks too, but doesn’t everything that isn’t just clean living and self-improvement? If you end up taking this seriously, I recommend doing a little reading first to make an informed decision (erowid.org has a lot of useful information).
Life is not always comfortable but it can get more comfortable provided you make yourself uncomfortable first.
The more crutch you use, the weaker your muscle to deal with these awkward situations becomes.
Don’t forget the “why” and ask yourself “what’s the worst that could happen” when you reach for alcohol vs simply talking to people and letting yourself naturally settle.
“what’s the worst that could happen” when you reach for alcohol vs simply talking to people and letting yourself naturally settle.
I’ve literally done this hundreds of times. I don’t enjoy it. At best I’m just on on edge. At worst I’m having actual panic attacks.
I have Panic and Anxiety. I know the feeling quite well and it I don’t always overcome it.
Like anything else, it’s a skill you can learn.
Oooo…Im ready for suggestions too.
I swear to God if you say something about a runner’s high or something…
Well it’s individual to the person what makes them happy. I had to try a lot of stuff I was meh about to get there.
If you liked tasting things, why not try your expertise at a chocolate/cheese tasting place. If you enjoyed drunk driving go buy a Tesla which replicates the experience perfectly.Upvote for the Tesla shade!
There are a lot of people switching to different drugs like weed that are less harmful than alcohol. Assuming it’s the mind-altering effects you’re after. Tastiness can maybe be replicated with edibles or infused drinks.
omg guys! this actually works!
I was just eating a fat burger for lunch and was getting really full. I wasn’t sure how I could finish the rest of it and I just told the calories to fuck off and I was able to finish the whole thing!
The title isn’t wrong. Losing weight is an extremely simple process.
Simple doesn’t mean easy, though.
Self discipline is the hard part
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Every fat person on earth already knows that too much food makes you fat.
Yet somehow, even armed with this knowledge, we’re all fat.
Curious.
It’s funny how you never visualise the person on an internet forum as fat, but some of the people typing here are fat.
We tens to visualise the people typing like us. At least, I do
So that’s why I see everybody as fat as fuck and tipping a fedora to me. Good to know.
Ok, I do have trouble visualising you as an 18 year old girl 🤣
18/f/Cali here
3000/Ω/plane of time immemorial at the bottom of the ocean, here
Most.
A significant part of it is the stuff they put in our food.
What happened in the 80s
A combination of sugar subsidies, market penetration of transformed food while the food industry figured they could make their customers sugar-addict, the start of GDP and minimum salary drifting away from each other, meaning poor households no longer able to afford quality food, and running through 2 or 3 jobs doesn’t leave you much time to cook.
So, in a summary: that’s completely a personal responsibility issue.
Isn’t the correct answer that glucose-fructose syrup got subsidised?? (I might have my history wrong)
Also, the “low fat” fitness craze started and manufacturers started replacing fat with sugar.
Yes. Well that and sugar tariffs combined.
And the long trend of decreasing home cooking really gained steam. Homemade food can be delicious, but it is rarely hypersatiable. It’s also more likely to contain things like vegetables (though I’ll admit, I don’t use enough in my household, my wife hates my “could eat it nonstop” veggie and I’m allergic to hers).
We’ve also increasingly been doing jobs that don’t fulfill a meaningful portion of physical fitness, and as such we’re increasingly underexercised
In my country, fast food is too expensive, much cheaper to be eating homestyle meals at a roadside shop.
Is that country the US? /s
But seriously, fast food isn’t cheap anymore. It’s cheaper to go to a real sub shop than it is to go to Subway! Or just make food at home.
When I was younger… you could buy a cheese burger at McDonalds for 1 buck. It’s not even that long ago. Like 10 years ago
When I vacationned in the US I was always taken aback by how much fast food used to be cheaper than an actual hearthy meal you cook yourself… Unless you forego the protein…
That’s all sorts of fucked up.
I can get a fucking steak dinner for the price a some of the more expensive fast food combos around me. Shit is crazy.
I misread the last part as “roadside slop” 😭
Are you telling me an AI made this stew?
This is a joke but I lost 20 pounds so far just by eating half as much as I normally would.
That’s the way it works, you’re no joke homie
Thermodynamics is a cruel but fair mistress
She gives but she takes, equally.
Is she though? The cruel part is our own brain sabotaging our efforts
It is, the trick is it’s easier said than done for people.
It’s tricky to require your brain and overhaul your habits.
I say this as someone who also has lost 25 lbs. there’s a reason people refer to it as a journey.
I say this less to diminish your point and more for support of others who are going through this thinking “man this is impossible but everyone makes it sound easy”. It’s not. It’s a marathon not a sprint.
Lots of things are easy to do once, but doing them continuously for as long as necessary is extremely hard.
That being said I was starving for like two weeks but eventually I found I can’t eat that much anymore and it got easier.
The one that gets me is switching from full sugar to diet sodas. Having a full sugar soda now tastes like I’m being face fucked with syrup. That one’s hard to go back.
I gave up soda entirely and now I can’t drink any of it. It tastes like fizzy battery acid to me.
Reminder to readers thay there is a stark difference between “cutting back” and starving yourself.
Smaller portions and less calorie-dense options make a huge difference over time.
It’s also much more sustainable. Make small tweaks as you go versus making big, drastic swings at your eating habits.
This might sound weird, but after a point it’s easier to just forego eating. It can be kind of dangerous how effective it is, but anyone who has gone a long time without food probably recognizes how their body stops bothering them with hunger.
It can but it’s dangerous and not recommended due to the many negative health effects.
Not really, you can safely eat nothing for an entire month
Also, fruits are better than fruit-juice, unless you really need those quick calories.
It’s simple math, burn more than what goes in. No tricks, no fad diets, no regimen, eat less, do more.
Yep. And the last time I did this I helped by keeping my house around 50 degrees all the time. I figure if we spend most of our energy keeping warm then making that harder would burn more calories.
Do you think that’s something you’ll be able to keep doing for the long term? Or, do you expect that you’ll put the weight back on when you inevitably give up and start eating more?
Not the same person, but I’ll add my 2 cents.
Eating less of what you always eat is HARD, because you eat that much to stay full. Feeling hungry 24/7 is super fucking hard, and I don’t think anyone can maintain that for long.
But it’s amazing how not-filling most processed foods are. Swapping out high-calorie, unfilling food for low-calorie filling foods made it pretty much effortless.
I didn’t feel hungry, I didn’t need to eat that much. But dieting is still hard, because I also ate out of habit. A bag of snacks in front of the tv, a snack with a drink after lunch, etc etc. Not because I was hungry just because it’s tasty.
Breaking that habit was also pretty easy. See, you don’t need to diet 24/7. I only need to focus on dieting half an hour every other day, when I’m buying food at the supermarket. If I don’t buy snacks, I can’t eat snacks, it’s really simple. Anyone can be strong for 30 minutes every other day, that’s easy.
So yeah, dieting is done first your head, and then in the supermarket!
Step 1: admit your obesity is your own fault, and thus within your control.
Step 2: buy better food, buy less crap.
Step 3: eat what you buy.
Step 4: keep doing step 2 and 3 forever.Now that I’m used to eating less I’ve found that I simply can’t eat like I used to without discomfort.
Case in point: last night I got an Italian sub and was full after half of it, while previously I would have housed the entire thing.
Isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?
no reason to ai pennyworth over ronald. mr McDonald has a vastly greater kill count.
edit: pennywise
This but unironically. It’s a way more efficient way to lose weight than exercise. And it doesn’t come with the Ozempic side effects
It can definitely have side effects. Psychological (eating disorders, debilitating feeling of hunger) and physical (unbalanced diet, or fatigue because the body gets in the “oh fuck must conserve energy” mode).
There is no one size fits all solution. A random 50 year old IT worker with a sedentary lifestyle and a Big Mac diet does not need the same help as a physically active 25 year old with severe hormonal imbalances. Using Ozempic is bad in the former case, but so is shaming the latter person for relying on it.
I lost 35kg within 8 months by going hardcore on controlling my diet. I did have to eat more once I started exercising, which I needed to because all the muscle was melting away right along the fat. It definitely works, but I did “fall off the wagon” once I stopped counting the calories. Now I’m trying to find that long term balance of sport and diet I can maintain in the long run.
True, it doesn’t have the side effect of continuous hunger, feeling deprived, constant cravings, until you explode with binge eating. That would never happen
I’ve actually tried fasting for fun and it doesn’t really cause binge eating, as long as you do it right.
But then again, my regular diet does not contain stuff from industrial fast food chains.
Intermittent fasting/OMAD and light exercise (walking, a bit of cycling) is in my opinion a way easier to drop massive amounts of weight in a short time. Light exercise keeps your body healthy while operating at a caloric defecit
Just don’t get OMAD mixed up with GOMAD.
That sounds like a bad time all around lol
Might be effective weight loss if you are lactose intolerant. XD
I completely agree.
What’s sad is people will torture themselves if they’re overweight by working out, and then reward themselves with food afterwards.
The worst advice we gave people is telling them they shouldn’t skip meals if they’re trying to lose weight. Americans/Westerners really don’t care about finding solutions; only looking like they do.
The vast majority of obese people are not willing to admit they caused their obesity, because it’s a human trait not to admit your faults.
Humans would much rather paint themselves as the victim because that’s mentally much easier. “I’m obese because of PCOS/thyroid/magic/metabolism” or “obesity isn’t unhealthy, everyone should be like me”. The alternative is “I caused this, I’m maintaining this, and thus I can stop maintaining this”.
Once I made the realisation that I was working hard to be obese every day, it was super fucking easy to lose weight. But to find the solution, you need to identify the problem first, and if that problem is you, it’s going to be an uncomfortable problem.
Yeah moving doesn’t seem to lose weight (unless you’re very overweight). It’s very good for you, but muscle isn’t lighter than fat. At some point I went from not running to running half marathons and I went from like 86 to 82 kg average, but that only really happened after I also changed my diet. Currently I stopped running temporarily because of some health reasons and I haven’t really gained much weight either, I just feel weaker.
It’s a lot easier to remove 200 calories from your diet than burning 200 calories more.
The big two things exercise does for weight loss is it expends calories to build new muscles, and then those muscles increase your base calorie burn because they’re body mass. Weight loss without exercise can consume muscle as well as fat as the body treats excess muscles as a calorie store. At the end of the day, for most people in most circumstances, losing weight as a goal really means losing fat. If someone’s 110 kg and trying to lose weight, many wouldn’t mind being 110 kg with a somewhat thin waist and just being ripped (ok, a lot of women would hate looking like that, but actually doing that is an incredible feat)
Or move to rural Britain. Food so gross you’d rather starve.
