• Goodeye8@piefed.social
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      And why exactly does Hamas exist in the first place? Surely not because Isreal has been killing Palestinians before Isreal was even an official state.

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        This is actually something I don’t understand when this argument is brought up. Havent they both been killing each other since well before the modern period?

        It made a little more sense when the argument was that Hamas is bad, but that doesn’t justify collateral damage to Palestinian civilians when targeting them. But it seems to me the rhetoric I see often has switched to making excuses for Hamas, who directly tries to kill children whenever they get the opportunity, including putting their own Palestinian civilians in the line of fire to confuse attacks against them and get them killed as “martyrs”. Which they use to justify their actions, even though they caused it.

        I don’t see how Israel’ careless around getting noncombatants killed justifies deliberately targeting civilians, which Hamas does constantly, or doing things like putting a rocket launcher on top of a hospital just so it looks bad for Israel when they destroy it. It’s not like Hamas wants a peaceful two-state solution and Israel just isn’t playing along. And theres not a lot of anti-Hamas sentiment in Gaza since they get murdered by Hamas, and they did vote them in in the first place.

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          If you count the modern period as after 1900, there was no tension between the Jews and Palestinian Arabs because there were very few Jews actually living in the area. Jews made up about 3% of the population until the first Zionist conference in 1897. Following on from this, the colonial project began with European Jews moving to Palestine.

          Historically every time a settler colonial population moves into a new area the demonise, oppress and attempt to kill off the native population. We had the British in Ireland, Spanish and Portuguese in south and central America, northern Europeans in North America, British again in Australia and new Zealand, European powers in the “race for Africa” and now the Jewish setter colonisers in Palestine. Israel does not want a two state solution, it is quite clear from the evidence at hand that the “greater Israel” project is their goal. The rest of the world needs to wake up to the obvious, Israel is shouting about it and the world is not listening. Boycott, Divest and Sanction the genocidal Zionists, this worked for South Africa and their apartheid regime.

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      That’s the same excuse as

      “The Nazis genocide is, so it’s fine if we genocide others back”

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        She hosted Motaz Azaiza, the “journalist” who frequently praises Hamas, and was present with Hamas at the October 7th attack itself. So I correct myself, he only might have participated in directly killing civilians and children, but he was at least hanging out with his friends when they were doing that.

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        She hosted Motaz Azaiza, the “journalist” who frequently praises Hamas, and was present with Hamas at the October 7th attack itself. So I correct myself, he only might have participated in directly killing civilians and children, but he was at least hanging out with his friends when they were doing that.

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        She hosted Motaz Azaiza, the “journalist” who frequently praises Hamas, and was present with Hamas at the October 7th attack itself. So I correct myself, he only might have participated in directly killing civilians and children, but he was at least hanging out with his friends when they were doing that.

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          So no she didn’t, you’re just peddling lies and propaganda?

          She did a video with a journalist, a journalist who also was on BBC, who was submitted one of Times top 10 photos of the year, interviewed with The Guardian, etc. A well respected international figure who has been one of the most prominent people covering Gaza from inside.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motaz_Azaiza

          But of course to ZioNazis hes the worst person ever because he documents their genocide.