I believe it’s more about the Fediverse as a whole, not the instance they were running. No instance is an island, and all that - we don’t have enough activity for a thriving community on our own, so we have to pick-and-choose who we federate with. Too closed and the community dies. Too open and you can become overwhelmed by bad faith actors. At some point, it may be that you just decide that you can’t find the balance, or that the balance isn’t attainable in your position.
It’s a thankless job, being an unpaid admin. I absolutely sympathize with Rikudou_Sage’s position.
I agree with your point, but disagree that the fediverse is too small to block all Tankies or that an instance “dies” when it owner enforces minimum standards of quality.
I think we all would have been better off if instead of burning out, the Lemmings.world admins banned everything except a single post per day if that post was an absolute banger.
If an instance admin wants to attract like-minded users to their instance, that instance needs to show people what their mind is like.
I don’t think that the admin is talking about the process of administrating their own instance when they talk about being disappointed with the Fediverse, but about their own user experience as a user of the Fediverse.
They want to browse and comment and doomscroll too. As it stands, they find that there’s no instance or comms with the correct ‘balance’ of quantity and quality (or, at least, morality), and they don’t see any immediate solution or combination of federations that would fix that, for their experience.
Huh, I wonder what other social media outlet they think will be better? You have so much control here with blocking and stuff, that I don’t get it either. Uplifting communities are awesome:
superbowl
bats
aww
shitposting (usually about some random food like beans or corn)
I mean, the obvious pivot if they are smart is Outside:
People less dickish
Immediate, 3d immersion - ability to pet cute puppies
Can use skills to make money, instead of just updoots
Personally, I feel like the communities you mentioned aren’t particularly “uplifting”. Like, I’m not hating on cute bat pics - but it feels like basing your whole nutritional strategy on sugary breakfast cereal. Eventually you need something with more substance.
On reddit, I liked 3 types of communities:
Hobbies
Lifestyle/advice
In depth/discussion
Hobbies
The hobby comms have almost no activity. I’m into climbing, hiking, motorcycles, diy, and lifting, among other things. A post in one of these communities is almost a special occasion.
Lifestyle/advice
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
In depth/discussion
Subs like askereddit or truereddit - places where the idea was to discuss a topic and share stories and theories and ideas. On lemmy, these subs consist mostly of tankie propaganda and conspiracy theories.
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
I hear you, this one made me laugh. I guess we have to be the change for this, we really are too small. I can see the bitching on being too big when those communities get enough traction though.
I hear you, but I also believe that the balance you describe is size-independent. If the fediverse consisted of only three people, and one was an asshole, what’s to gain from allowing that asshole to run rampant on your platform if you’re trying to attract non-assholes to your anti-asshole platform? There is no scenario where that doesn’t lead to burnout.
Beehaw.org is a good example of an instance that defederated basically every other large instance and their users seem very happy about it.
And if someone actually wanted to doomscroll and look at shitposts (I don’t get it but they do exist)… they’ll eventually just go to reddit or twitter where that experience will always be superior.
The problem is that its not just “tankies” but everything that slightly inconveniences an instance get blocked. I really dont want to use 3 different instances because one decides they don’t like anime, the other decides they dont like birds, then another one doesn’t like the color blue and bans anything that has blue.
I wish the federation was left to the users and only illegal stuff is banned. This maybe an unpopular opinion but i agree that all the federation blocking is killing what is already a tiny community.
And on top of that, some instances hand out bans for complete bullshit reasons. It’s not even just the tankie instances that ban you for not being a bootlicker, but also admins that can’t tell the difference between normal, innocuous behavior and automated vote manipulation, hacked accounts and the like and err on the side of banning.
I believe it’s more about the Fediverse as a whole, not the instance they were running. No instance is an island, and all that - we don’t have enough activity for a thriving community on our own, so we have to pick-and-choose who we federate with. Too closed and the community dies. Too open and you can become overwhelmed by bad faith actors. At some point, it may be that you just decide that you can’t find the balance, or that the balance isn’t attainable in your position.
It’s a thankless job, being an unpaid admin. I absolutely sympathize with Rikudou_Sage’s position.
I agree with your point, but disagree that the fediverse is too small to block all Tankies or that an instance “dies” when it owner enforces minimum standards of quality.
I think we all would have been better off if instead of burning out, the Lemmings.world admins banned everything except a single post per day if that post was an absolute banger.
If an instance admin wants to attract like-minded users to their instance, that instance needs to show people what their mind is like.
I don’t think that the admin is talking about the process of administrating their own instance when they talk about being disappointed with the Fediverse, but about their own user experience as a user of the Fediverse.
They want to browse and comment and doomscroll too. As it stands, they find that there’s no instance or comms with the correct ‘balance’ of quantity and quality (or, at least, morality), and they don’t see any immediate solution or combination of federations that would fix that, for their experience.
Huh, I wonder what other social media outlet they think will be better? You have so much control here with blocking and stuff, that I don’t get it either. Uplifting communities are awesome:
Maybe I’m missing something?
I mean, the obvious pivot if they are smart is Outside:
Personally, I feel like the communities you mentioned aren’t particularly “uplifting”. Like, I’m not hating on cute bat pics - but it feels like basing your whole nutritional strategy on sugary breakfast cereal. Eventually you need something with more substance.
On reddit, I liked 3 types of communities:
Hobbies
The hobby comms have almost no activity. I’m into climbing, hiking, motorcycles, diy, and lifting, among other things. A post in one of these communities is almost a special occasion.
Lifestyle/advice
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
In depth/discussion
Subs like askereddit or truereddit - places where the idea was to discuss a topic and share stories and theories and ideas. On lemmy, these subs consist mostly of tankie propaganda and conspiracy theories.
Great points!!
And so fucking true! I have legit been downvoted and trolled because I’m optimistic about the future! lololol
This got an LOL out of me. But seriously! admins! Ban them folks if you find them annoying! It will make Lemmy more attractive!
I hear you, this one made me laugh. I guess we have to be the change for this, we really are too small. I can see the bitching on being too big when those communities get enough traction though.
I hear you, but I also believe that the balance you describe is size-independent. If the fediverse consisted of only three people, and one was an asshole, what’s to gain from allowing that asshole to run rampant on your platform if you’re trying to attract non-assholes to your anti-asshole platform? There is no scenario where that doesn’t lead to burnout.
Beehaw.org is a good example of an instance that defederated basically every other large instance and their users seem very happy about it.
And if someone actually wanted to doomscroll and look at shitposts (I don’t get it but they do exist)… they’ll eventually just go to reddit or twitter where that experience will always be superior.
Beehaw to me seems like forced positivity.
The problem is that its not just “tankies” but everything that slightly inconveniences an instance get blocked. I really dont want to use 3 different instances because one decides they don’t like anime, the other decides they dont like birds, then another one doesn’t like the color blue and bans anything that has blue.
I wish the federation was left to the users and only illegal stuff is banned. This maybe an unpopular opinion but i agree that all the federation blocking is killing what is already a tiny community.
And on top of that, some instances hand out bans for complete bullshit reasons. It’s not even just the tankie instances that ban you for not being a bootlicker, but also admins that can’t tell the difference between normal, innocuous behavior and automated vote manipulation, hacked accounts and the like and err on the side of banning.
This! 100 percent this!