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read it as lemmy.world first, i was getting ready to pack my bags
You probably should find another instance if you can. They’re not the greatest.
“For a hot minute it was honestly great but eventually all that remained was tankies propaganda and depressing news. And probably a few non-political communities that sadly don’t really offset it for me.”
I’ll never understand why someone would go through the trouble of starting an instance and then tolerate nonsense on the instance that they (again) literally own.
The entire point of the fediverse is decentralizing power. So why are you making it worse for yourself abiding by someone else’s rules? Did it occur to him that maybe his users don’t want tankies and depressing news either?
I get that keeping the engines running is thankless work a lot of the time but damn, don’t make it harder on yourself because someone else (who is not you) wants to use your thing that you pay for and maintain to force their propaganda onto your users.
I believe it’s more about the Fediverse as a whole, not the instance they were running. No instance is an island, and all that - we don’t have enough activity for a thriving community on our own, so we have to pick-and-choose who we federate with. Too closed and the community dies. Too open and you can become overwhelmed by bad faith actors. At some point, it may be that you just decide that you can’t find the balance, or that the balance isn’t attainable in your position.
It’s a thankless job, being an unpaid admin. I absolutely sympathize with Rikudou_Sage’s position.
I agree with your point, but disagree that the fediverse is too small to block all Tankies or that an instance “dies” when it owner enforces minimum standards of quality.
I think we all would have been better off if instead of burning out, the Lemmings.world admins banned everything except a single post per day if that post was an absolute banger.
If an instance admin wants to attract like-minded users to their instance, that instance needs to show people what their mind is like.
I don’t think that the admin is talking about the process of administrating their own instance when they talk about being disappointed with the Fediverse, but about their own user experience as a user of the Fediverse.
They want to browse and comment and doomscroll too. As it stands, they find that there’s no instance or comms with the correct ‘balance’ of quantity and quality (or, at least, morality), and they don’t see any immediate solution or combination of federations that would fix that, for their experience.
Huh, I wonder what other social media outlet they think will be better? You have so much control here with blocking and stuff, that I don’t get it either. Uplifting communities are awesome:
- superbowl
- bats
- aww
- shitposting (usually about some random food like beans or corn)
Maybe I’m missing something?
I mean, the obvious pivot if they are smart is Outside:
- People less dickish
- Immediate, 3d immersion - ability to pet cute puppies
- Can use skills to make money, instead of just updoots
Personally, I feel like the communities you mentioned aren’t particularly “uplifting”. Like, I’m not hating on cute bat pics - but it feels like basing your whole nutritional strategy on sugary breakfast cereal. Eventually you need something with more substance.
On reddit, I liked 3 types of communities:
- Hobbies
- Lifestyle/advice
- In depth/discussion
Hobbies
The hobby comms have almost no activity. I’m into climbing, hiking, motorcycles, diy, and lifting, among other things. A post in one of these communities is almost a special occasion.Lifestyle/advice
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.In depth/discussion
Subs like askereddit or truereddit - places where the idea was to discuss a topic and share stories and theories and ideas. On lemmy, these subs consist mostly of tankie propaganda and conspiracy theories.Great points!!
On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
And so fucking true! I have legit been downvoted and trolled because I’m optimistic about the future! lololol
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
I hear you, this one made me laugh. I guess we have to be the change for this, we really are too small. I can see the bitching on being too big when those communities get enough traction though.
On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
This got an LOL out of me. But seriously! admins! Ban them folks if you find them annoying! It will make Lemmy more attractive!
I hear you, but I also believe that the balance you describe is size-independent. If the fediverse consisted of only three people, and one was an asshole, what’s to gain from allowing that asshole to run rampant on your platform if you’re trying to attract non-assholes to your anti-asshole platform? There is no scenario where that doesn’t lead to burnout.
Beehaw.org is a good example of an instance that defederated basically every other large instance and their users seem very happy about it.
And if someone actually wanted to doomscroll and look at shitposts (I don’t get it but they do exist)… they’ll eventually just go to reddit or twitter where that experience will always be superior.
Beehaw to me seems like forced positivity.
The problem is that its not just “tankies” but everything that slightly inconveniences an instance get blocked. I really dont want to use 3 different instances because one decides they don’t like anime, the other decides they dont like birds, then another one doesn’t like the color blue and bans anything that has blue.
I wish the federation was left to the users and only illegal stuff is banned. This maybe an unpopular opinion but i agree that all the federation blocking is killing what is already a tiny community.
And on top of that, some instances hand out bans for complete bullshit reasons. It’s not even just the tankie instances that ban you for not being a bootlicker, but also admins that can’t tell the difference between normal, innocuous behavior and automated vote manipulation, hacked accounts and the like and err on the side of banning.
I wish the federation was left to the users and only illegal stuff is banned.
This! 100 percent this!
‘Hey could you maybe transfer this important established server to anyone else?’
‘Nope! Fuck yourselves! <3’
There may be legal questions, but also, they mentioned that the price of keeping it running was a factor.
The thing about transferring ownership is that price stops being your problem.
I mean there may be legal questions about transferring ownership.
As for price, the question then arises - who is offering to pay for it?
Maybe if you reach out to the admin, they’d be happy to transfer it to you. I don’t know how these things work or the admin’s opinions. But the admin saying “It’s been good guys, but it’s too expensive and not what I hoped for, so I’ll keep it up for this last lease period and then let it go” is hardly a declaration of “Go fuck yourselves, I’m just burning everything down”
There’s gonna be more Lemmy servers.
A new one will be worse-off than taking over an existing one, as a rule.
For all the same reasons that having a new NSFW-heavy server doesn’t make up for LemmyNSFW disappearing and taking years of content with it.
And “fuck yourselves” is explicitly how several websites I care about have disappeared.
I’m not disputing that it’s desirable to acquire the server and perpetuate it over starting a new one, my point is only that the admin no longer being able to hold up the burden is hardly an act of spite.
And “fuck yourselves” is explicitly how several websites I care about have disappeared.
Okay, but as I said, that’s hardly the tone or implication here.
Oh sure, that’s why the announcement is about looking for someone to take over. Can you imagine if the admin simply announced a definitive end because they stopped giving a shit?
Oh sure, that’s why the announcement is about looking for someone to take over.
Most people would not presume that there’s someone waiting in the wings willing to take up a thankless job and pay a regular fee for the privilege over a small hobby project.
Transferring it to someone else isn’t that simple. I mean, I guess it can be if you’re willing to hand it over to some random stranger with zero vetting… and then hope they don’t do anything malicious.
Ideally, you’d want to hand it over to someone trustworthy. That takes work.
There’s two entire months between this announcement and the fuck-you date.
How long should it take to vet someone?
Would it really be worse to let a flawed bastard take over, versus deleting everyone and all their content?
