I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.

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    I don’t know all the details, but something that struck me as odd was the fact that this was the first WHC dinner that Trump was going to, famously being too cowardly to go to the others for fear of being mocked. Why go to this one, when his approval rating is in the toilet?

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      This is the second WHC dinner during his second term. Last year they purposefully didn’t invite any entertainer and made no jokes about the administration to appease Trump. They showed they are ready to bow down and sacrifice freedom of speech so Trump showed up this year to express his approval.

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      You’re thinking about it backwards. It’s the first one the assassin tried to rush into because Trump was going to be there.

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      Because there wasn’t going to be a roast. Mentalist and magician Oz Pearlman was going to host, instead.

      And because, by staging a shooter, he is going to get public funding for his ballsack I mean ballroom.

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    Because we’ve been trained by the republicans to prepare for a distraction when the current news is bad.

    All of the republican news is really bad right now. They’ve flip-flopped on wars with various countries and the Epstein files a few times already. Even thrown out some UFO stuff. Nothing is working though because gas prices are high and there’s no easy and clean way out of the quagmire the GOP is currently in.

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      It saddens me so much to know that the president can rape children, and get away with it. On top of that, the only reason people aren’t distracted from it is the fact that gas prices are still high. If gas were cheap, there is a good chance 48% of Americans would be distracted.

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    Trump was seen as having an electoral boost after the Pennsylvania shooting.

    Trump is in a deep hole with the electorate over the Epstein files, the economy, the Iran war, and support of the genocidal Israeli regime

    Trump has used very blatant & underhanded tactics in the past, from the 2020 electoral certification Coup attempt, and the recent doordash PR stunt.

    There will always be some amount of people who will not accept things at face value, but with Trump, experience has shown that waiting for evidence before believing what the administration is saying is a wise move.

    TL;DR: a lot of sketchy crap happens in this administration and people think anything that might turn out well for Trump’s voter polls is manufactured

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      The door dash thing was so tone deaf. Like, oh I hear your husband has cancer. Well, the good thing is, there is a job opening for you to help pay for it! You can doordash yourself to the bed next to him! He

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      the PR stunts, yes the assasinations are this to. its to assure thier magat supporters that he still is in control of things, they are too dumb to realize hes always staging things.

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    “I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating” - I think we’re well past insinuating. Straight out declaring would be more accurate now. The man has no credibility left. No one trusts him with the truth, their money or their daughters. If I was a betting man I’d say his foreign handlers are already lining up the next candidate for the world stage. You can also tell, by the way, that none of the big media channels are buying it either. All you need to do is compare their coverage now with at the coverage of the assassination attempts of previous presidents. When Reagan got shot the whole world stopped to look. It was literally everywhere. This, so called, “attempt” was a small front page story that will be gone in a couple of days. The mid terms are coming. I expect more and more panicked moves between now and November.

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      I agree he has no credibility. But is there any other reason besides that to think it was faked?

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        Just a bunch of suspicious actions lining up. obviously no one has come out and said “We are planning a false flag operation to fake an attempt on trumps life”

        But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…

        and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)

        and a source in the white house leaking that it was planning a big mic drop event for the dinner about a week before hand

        and you have trump, a known coward, who typically panics and looks for cover, sitting there smirking while its happening (No flag to drop down from a crane to make a big posed picture for this time, sadly)

        and the inevitable question is… what would he gain from it if it is true? And the answer is, a lot… especially when you consider what he faces after the midterms… which is impeachment and possible 25th amendment invocation… not to mention the rest…

        Like His poll numbers are at historic lows. His cult is disintegrating around him, he failed in his attempt to rig the midterm elections with the SAVE act not getting passed, and as a whole popular opinion is turning against him and the republicans, to the point that even Republicans are expecting major across the board losses come the midterms.

        What better way to try to reclaim some of his popularity, his polling, and his cult, and try to rally republican voters for the midterms than with another assassination attempt? Especially since the last big one (the one that supposedly shot him in the ear, that was magically healed with no scars/trauma/etc a week and a half later) did so much to boost his polling and popularity.

        like I said in the very first sentence, no ones gonna come out and straight up admit that this is what factually happened, but a skeptical look at the facts at hand, and what we know about Trump and his personality… It seems like a plausible scenario to assemble from the pieces we have.

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          But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…

          and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)

          Where can I find more info on this stuff in particular?

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        The thing is people aren’t looking for reasons to believe it was faked, that’s the default with trump now. The question is what makes anyone think it’s real? He’s the one who coined fake news so can’t really blame anyone for not believing the “news” 😅

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        I’m not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but there was a leak a few days ago that said Trump was staging a fake PR blow up at the event. Like he’d discussed with his team that he was going to go on an unhinged rant and storm off like it was everyone else’s fault, because somehow he thinks that that makes him look like the adult in the room.

        At the time I read speculation that this had been leaked by his own team in order to prevent it from happening, because it’s obviously such a stupid idea to everyone but him.

        He skipped every other White House correspondents’ dinner, and he was only going to attend this one in order to stage a fake PR moment.

        Obviously that’s not proof, but add it to the pile of circumstantial evidence.

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    Trump’s whole term in office has been difficult to follow. What’s going on now? What’s the truth and what isn’t? Politicians lie, but trump is the best at misinformation.

    The thing is that we don’t know, but because of the environment his administration has created, you have to doubt everything he says and be skeptical of every event they’re involved in.

    The conspiratorial culture of the far right is infecting every aspect of his administration. At this point it doesn’t really matter what’s true and what’s fabricated, so long as it can be spun into a media event to feed his ego.

    I need to take a break from the Internet.

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    It’s the kind of thing he would do. Putin does it all of the time, and you know how Trump feels about him. One time Putin staged a takeover of a theater, and then gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside. They got dragged across the ground and stacked up in public busses to be taken to the hospital. Over 100 died. They refused to publish the actual total. For a press op.

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      gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside

      That’s terrible! And just double-checking with a bit of searching, yeah, this was a real incident. Whether it was “staged” is unclear (not enough evidence to support or deny it due to the lack of an investigation). But the Russian authorities did indeed release a noxious gas into the theatre without any sort of evacuation or coordination with health services, yet the official report by the Kremlin hails it as a success even though over a hundred people died?! I feel like, staged or not, that is something that should be criticised.

      For a bit of context, Russia was invading Chechnya, which declared independence after the dissolution of the USSR, and a Chechen militant group took over a theatre and held everyone in it hostage (how they did that, I’m not sure. Some of the sources blame it on negligence of Russian intelligence, or suggest that authorities in the area were bribed). There was a siege of the theatre, and by the second day, people started to get shot. Afterwords, the Russian special forces gassed the theatre before entering it in an assault, and most of the hostages, as well as the Chechen militants, were killed. Additionally, authorities in Russia did not say what the gas was, meaning the people administering first aid had to guess, causing more death and permanent injuries than was necessary.

      https://www.britannica.com/event/Moscow-theater-hostage-crisis (Britannica)

      https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/189/9-10/228/7454807 (journal article)

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20067384 (BBC)

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      he had staged several false flags since the ukraine war began, with like no followup or investigation by russia at all.

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      There’s actually no proof the Moscow theatre hostage crisis was staged either. You’re supporting a conspiracy theory by pointing to an another conspiracy that you just made up. Y’all have completely given up on critical thinking.

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    Because the fact of the matter is, his PA ‘attempt’ stinks to high heaven. USSS broke numerous protocols with that incident, and you literally see people coordinating and ‘directing’ his fight fight fight shot.

    Once is happenstance,. twice is a coincidence, and three is a pattern.

    He’s had three of these incidents if you include the bushes in Mar A Lago dude. And what happened here? Did we have congressional reports detailing these events, the places they took place, suspect motivations, and the data broken down for everyone to see what went wrong?

    No. We didn’t have anything of the sort.

    We will not for this one either. Because this likely is more theatrics from a historically unpopular administration.

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      Yeah as a non American it’s kinda like okay is this fake or are you guys actually just not that great at shooting your targets 😅 c’mon, if these are real you gotta start questioning your nations eyesight or something 😂

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        ‘It’s just impossible to use science in the forensics of a scene like this’ is what trumps lawyer said.

        I totally think this was staged.

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    Probs coz of the weird footage by some people. Guests sitting there still eating, others grabbing bottles, people smiling and chatting afterwards. People also are assuming that each attempt on his life was so bad that it felt staged (the way his ear looked after the first one, how incompetent the shooters were etc, theres lots of things flying around in comments). And then there’s the lack of sympathy for Trump so most people would want any reason to keep hating him.

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    Whether this was staged or not is up for debate, but calling this guy a shooter is misinformation. Show me where this guy fired any shots. The officer that was shot in his bullet proof vest was hit by friendly fire, all shots fired were by law enforcement. If I’m wrong direct me to where there’s creditable evidence that says otherwise.

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    The response was too canned and uniform. There’s no fact finding, no actual concern for what happened here its all just rhetoric aimed at curtailng free speech. Add in the FBI director weighing in way too early and it all points to a setup.

    There’s a real possibility the guy that did the shooting is the target of an FBI entrapment scheme or something similar.

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      I go with the arguments I do with 9/11, it wasn’t an inside job. The government and president knew they were going to be happening, they chose to let them happen.

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    Who made millions off the Polymarket bet that Trump would have an assassination attempt again?

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          There’s probably a continuous polymarket net on Trump’s successful assassination. It’s starting to look inevitable, for either that award, or an Oscar.

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          You’re as bad as a redcap, spreading disinformation because it “wouldn’t surprise you”

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            Sarcasm and frustration is not disinformation. People who read such comments as literal “disinformation” need to take some responsibility for vetting the information they’re consuming. Use some common sense to judge the quality and source of the comment before you decide it’s an intentional effort to deceive you.

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              I agree with you generally speaking but I don’t think the sarcasm was very obvious in the initial comment. And given the context (a post asking “Why do people think X?”) it does come off as a bit misleading.

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            Look into prediction markets and how they evaluate the outcome of bets, it’s all entirely manipulated by 0.01% of its users because you can literally buy the outcome. This is not only possible, it is staggeringly more likely than not.

            Some more news just did an episode on this shit, everybody should watch it. Prediction markets are just another way for the 0.01% to fuck everyone yet again.

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          There is going to be polymarket bets on anything trump does tho. Bets on him saying certain words seems pretty run of the mill to me

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      Knowing how Trump works, if there is no bet, I’d say that’s proof it wasn’t a conspiracy. But the opposite holds true, too.

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        He’s not a journalist, he’s not “reporting facts” on lemmy. He’s saying it wouldn’t be surprised if someone DID place a bet, like the special forces guy who got arrested for a polymarket bet. Maybe try to chill for a second.

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          Then my eyes can only roll further into the back of my head as this platform degenerates into Q level conspiracies based feelings rather than facts.

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    The quote I saw elsewhere that summed it up best for me is, “even if it’s real, it’s still fake”.

    The whole thing was just a bit too rubbish, like, if you were going to try shooting the President, the events as report seem like such an obviously useless way to go about it that there’s got to be something else going on.

    My favourite conspiracy theory is that it’s their way of getting an already-sympathetic White House press corps to feel like they’re part of the whole thing, that attacks on the President are also attacks on them personally - trying to create a feeling that they and Trump are all trauma survivors who are in it together.

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        I don’t know how to respond to that beyond posting what’s already been said.

        a gunman opened fire near a security checkpoint at the event in Washington DC.

        He was tackled by agents just short of a staircase which leads down to a ballroom where the annual White House correspondents’ dinner attended by hundreds of journalists and public figures was getting under way.

        Officials said he possessed multiple weapons and appears to have acted alone.

        How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President? Did he think he was Neo or something?

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          How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President?

          I don’t find it that had to believe that someone might attempt that. There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound

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            There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound

            See I think your reasoning there proves my point quite well. If the first explanation you go to is that the person is not mentally sound, then almost by definition these are actions that don’t make sense.

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              Ah I see. Yes, I agree, they don’t make sense, but not necessarily in a way that implies conspiracy

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    Because this was Trump’s reaction to the gunshots.

    Trump's reaction to the gunshots.

    He knew. Melenomia didn’t.

    Also, here you can see Trump hiding behind a curtain, reveling in his kayfabe.

    Here you can see Trump hiding behind a curtain, reveling in his kayfabe.

    He would have been removed from the area by the Secret Service if there was an actual threat.

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    Forgive me if some of the details are a little off, happy to be corrected, but:

    • the first attempt during the campaign was almost certainly fake.
    • barbie lady said something about “shots fired” a few hours before the incident, as though she had misunderstood something in the group chat.
    • last week a judge said the only basis on which Trump could build the Ballroom was over security concerns.
    • moments after the incident Trump said that they need the Ballroom because of security concerns at the WH.
    • the photos do look pathetically staged, although the videos less-so.
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    I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked, his handlers have proven they are willing to use a fake attempt to gain favor and he seems to be very unfavorable right now.

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      I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked

      What about it was so obviously faked tho?

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        Umm… Everything? How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting? How many are you aware of where the SS ushers in photographers to take the heroic photos? How many are there where a crane lowers the flag down behind him for the aforementioned heroic photos, again while the shooter is still active?

        It’s the worst botch of a false flag event I’m aware of.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFQwqv0JnU8

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          The bullet that grazed Trump’s ear has been analyzed to death as too close to be fatal from the gunman’s distance to reliably stage. There are numerous more plausible explanations than the one the video puts forward.

          1. It is obvious that there might be good-looking photos if you take enough of them at any historical event. We already know that GOP campaigners cunningly used the assassination to their advantage for propaganda; the staffer is simply realizing that photos off the vent should be taken.
          2. At the end it looks more like he’s telling the photographers to keep their distance and pulling them away from Trump. There is absolutely no way he can see the camera viewfinder from such a distance, which is needed to decide on how to adjust the framing as the video purports he’s doing.
          3. The flag is simply being seen from a different angle. Throughout the video, the cameraman is approaching the gates, and then he tilts the camera upwards and then downwards. The former brings the flag into view and the latter is why the flag also looks like it’s being raised right after 0:36. Cross-reference the footage with https://www.youtube.com/live/Rr63RgGN-Yo?t=24263 (in both footage you see an agent go to the outermost. in the long livestream this is immediately followed by an agent waving Trump’s red cap.), a wide view, and the flag seems static.
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          This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks. Hadn’t heard about any of this stuff before. I don’t know enough to make a judgment yet but I wanted to hear where people were coming from

          Edit: wait this video is from a previous assassination attempt, I’m talking about the most recent one at the WH correspondence dinner

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            Their point is that the dinner attempt is just another poorly executed staged attempt for publicity and sympathy from a wannabe dictator that’s losing support extremely quickly.

            He started a war with Iran to distract from the Epstein files. That is so clearly obvious that even MAGA informed have been turning against him.

            This reeks of a blatant attempt to artificially increase support like many two bit dictators have done on the past. It worked last time.

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              not only that but the IRAN war is dragging on so long and badly for the US forces in the ME region too, already got soldiers killed early on,.

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            with 3 attempts so far, its more than a coincidence, of course right wing MSM, and fox arnt going to label like this way.

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            This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks.

            so, you were looking for conspiracy bs…?

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              My question was why people believe this. He told me why he believes it. So that was the information I was looking for. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I think the conspiracy stuff is convincing

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          How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting?

          He wasn’t president elect at that time. He would have been “former president, and likely (but as of the day of shooting unconfirmed) 2024 republican presidental nominee”.

          The attack happened in the summer of 2024. Election in November 2024.

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            Have you watched the videos? Nobody at his table reacts (or rather they react very slowly). The SS gets Vance to safety first, and they take 21 seconds to get to Trump. I’m not an expert, but as I’ve seen a military person describe, this is astonishingly long.

            In addition, there’s weird things like one of the fox reporters talking on air about how Carolyn Levitt’s husband was telling her they had to “keep her safe” or something, and the phone call was mysteriously dropped.

            Carolyn’s comments about “shots will be fired” before the event

            The fact that Trump has always avoided going to this event, like he had no previous interest in it at all

            The fact that it was an EXTREMELY secure event and the shooter wasn’t shot down immediately, and somehow got through all that security with several weapons?

            The way they just continued ahead with the event… Like no if anyone expected that there even an inkling of real trouble they would have shut it down immediately.

            And that IMMEDIATELY after it happened, right wing influencers started posting about why the ballroom needs to be secure (which it is speculated was the whole reason for this debacle)

            I’m sure more concrete evidence will come out in the future but they’ve done this dumb shit enough that it’s pretty safe take speculative evidence at face value, and even if not, it’s then a story of the boy who called wolf.

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              also right after he as a celebration conference too. plus they hada 60 minute interview with him immediately after it happened.

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            They didn’t get him down on the ground and instead they moved the flag and photographers into position so they could take pictures. If they were afraid of the shooter taking another shot they would have gotten him out of there immediately, but they weren’t afraid because they knew it was staged and they had the photo op all ready to go.

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              On top of that, lets say it were real…why have we not heard of any trial? We sure hear about every little detail from Luigis court proceedings. I remember last month reading they moved which cell he’s in.

              Not moving jails. Just “you’re in this cell…well now you’re going to that cell over there”. That made the news. But the guy who tried to shoot trump just vanishes? The media doesn’t mention his name after a day or two.

              Then you got trump sticking his thumbs up over the secret service. You’re telling me the guy who IN HIS HEALTHIEST DAYS OF HIS YOUTH dodged a vietnam draft, but in his elderly years is fighting 10 secret servicemen to stick his bloody hand up to give a thumbs up while an active sniper is trying to shoot him???

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            The photo op was far too pointed and choreographed.

            Normally, secret service are more efficient than that.

            In addition, Trump didn’t act scared. Later, he put the golden ratio photo op photo on his wall.