Yeah, I understand that frequently arguing with people isn’t ideal, but if you’re not field testing your opinions against someone who’s actively trying to disprove them, then how can you really know they’re right?
There are plenty of things I was sure about until someone argued with me well enough to make me think harder about it and come to a different conclusion. Isolating yourself with only people who agree with you is convenient, but stifling; community is uncomfortable.
There are many more trolls on the Internet than people actually arguing in good faith. Lemmy is no exception, just hasn’t been around long enough to get all of the trolls like reddit has.
What a stupid argument. Some people are obviously trolls or commenting in bad faith. Blocking people like that does not build an echo chamber. If this person had said “block every person who disagrees with you” then yeah, you’re going to end up with an echo chamber.
Personally, I think it’s important to avoid blocking people so that I can see them spreading false information and that they get challenged on their BS. But plenty of people are coming to social media/ forums/ whatever you consider Lemmy to engage with other people who share a similar hobby. Not everyone needs to deal with assholes fighting over (usually American) politics.
It’s possible for choices and actions to be both ethical and unethical at the same time. Some people (like you, I’m supposing by your comment) fool themselves into thinking that what they are doing is totally ethical because some part of it is.
That’s kind of half the picture though. Adblocking and piracy are not done in a vacuum. You typically block ads in response to the unethical practice of hostile design and the abuse of human psychology to be conditioned positively to something through exposure rather than just making a good product. Piracy is often in response to unethical business practices as well.
If none of those unethical forces existed, you can be sure there would be a lot less pirates and adblockers. But in our current world piracy and adblocking are often straight up ethical in relative terms.
Adblockers are a pain in the ass for many reasons. Small websites can’t realistically fund themselves with other sources, big players like newspapers end up putting paywalls limit access to quality journalism or selling themselves to billionaires who can run them at a loss in exchange of influence on the reporting. You end up with billionaires controlling all media and no way for small shops to compete with them.
YouTube premium: YouTube ads are fucking annoying, adblocking on TVs is unreliable at best, impossible at worst, I want to support the people who create the content I enjoy and the price for a whole family, for a whole month… is one third of the price of going to the movies once.
Google provides tooling, hosting, bandwidth, processing, security, metrics, payment processing, support, filtering, legal protection, captioning, apps for every platform imaginable, etc. Hardly a parasitic intermediary. Plus donating to 50+ creators would be more money in payment fees alone than what I pay for YouTube.
Nobody denies Youtube provides value. It’s the most used video platform in the world. Hence why they called them semi-parastic.
But the tooling gets neglected. The legal protection at times screws over the very creators you say you stand by. Some premium features are literal scams (eg. downloading videos). Some ads they allow on their platform promote literal scams. They censor comments, videos, and dislikes, often in deceitful ways like pretending nothing is being blocked to the poster. I could go on.
For a multi-billion dollar company, they provide ample enough reasons to cut them out of the equation as a form of economic protest, and their disloyalty to their creators in many of their decisions is a forever stain on their trust relationship with the public and creators. Which is why Youtube creators routinely try to detach themselves, like streaming on other sites, and why many of them ask you to donate directly instead, so that if Youtube should screw them over (which they have done many times), they can still afford to pay rent.
Plus donating to 50+ creators would be more money in payment fees alone than what I pay for YouTube.
That’s just wrong. Flat fees aren’t really a thing anymore. Different donation systems have different fees and most charge a percentage of 5% to 12% compared to the 45% of Youtube. But donating to 50 people would be hard on it’s own. Hence why most of us just donate bigger or more frequently to specific creators we want to support more, and over a large amount of people, that somewhat evens out across creators.
Look, nobody is saying that it’s bad to have Youtube Premium, but it’s not exactly good either. I used to have it for years, until I found out they were scamming me on a feature I found important. If none of those things are a concern to you, then go ahead. Just don’t deny the rest of us our grievances.
Use block liberally. Your bubble will slowly improve, and so will everyone else’s.
There’s not sufficient echo in my chamber!
Yeah, I understand that frequently arguing with people isn’t ideal, but if you’re not field testing your opinions against someone who’s actively trying to disprove them, then how can you really know they’re right?
There are plenty of things I was sure about until someone argued with me well enough to make me think harder about it and come to a different conclusion. Isolating yourself with only people who agree with you is convenient, but stifling; community is uncomfortable.
I know, but some people over here seem to be afraid of any dissent.
I like to jokingly refer to it as “improving the acoustics”
Tja.
Machste nix.
I’ll echo in your momma’s chambers
But that’s just because my momma so fat that… wait…
There are many more trolls on the Internet than people actually arguing in good faith. Lemmy is no exception, just hasn’t been around long enough to get all of the trolls like reddit has.
What a stupid argument. Some people are obviously trolls or commenting in bad faith. Blocking people like that does not build an echo chamber. If this person had said “block every person who disagrees with you” then yeah, you’re going to end up with an echo chamber.
Personally, I think it’s important to avoid blocking people so that I can see them spreading false information and that they get challenged on their BS. But plenty of people are coming to social media/ forums/ whatever you consider Lemmy to engage with other people who share a similar hobby. Not everyone needs to deal with assholes fighting over (usually American) politics.
I have been labeled a troll many a time, for:
Arguing against adblocker and for YouTube premium is the most center of the bell curve IQ meme take I’ve ever heard.
I use adblockers and pirate stuff, but I don’t try to fool myself into thinking that it’s an ethically sound thing to do.
Controlling what content is shown on my screen is unethical? Wow.
It’s possible for choices and actions to be both ethical and unethical at the same time. Some people (like you, I’m supposing by your comment) fool themselves into thinking that what they are doing is totally ethical because some part of it is.
That’s kind of half the picture though. Adblocking and piracy are not done in a vacuum. You typically block ads in response to the unethical practice of hostile design and the abuse of human psychology to be conditioned positively to something through exposure rather than just making a good product. Piracy is often in response to unethical business practices as well.
If none of those unethical forces existed, you can be sure there would be a lot less pirates and adblockers. But in our current world piracy and adblocking are often straight up ethical in relative terms.
Adblockers are a pain in the ass for many reasons. Small websites can’t realistically fund themselves with other sources, big players like newspapers end up putting paywalls limit access to quality journalism or selling themselves to billionaires who can run them at a loss in exchange of influence on the reporting. You end up with billionaires controlling all media and no way for small shops to compete with them.
YouTube premium: YouTube ads are fucking annoying, adblocking on TVs is unreliable at best, impossible at worst, I want to support the people who create the content I enjoy and the price for a whole family, for a whole month… is one third of the price of going to the movies once.
You can donate to most content creators directly, without the semi-parasitic intermediary that is Google.
Google provides tooling, hosting, bandwidth, processing, security, metrics, payment processing, support, filtering, legal protection, captioning, apps for every platform imaginable, etc. Hardly a parasitic intermediary. Plus donating to 50+ creators would be more money in payment fees alone than what I pay for YouTube.
Nobody denies Youtube provides value. It’s the most used video platform in the world. Hence why they called them semi-parastic.
But the tooling gets neglected. The legal protection at times screws over the very creators you say you stand by. Some premium features are literal scams (eg. downloading videos). Some ads they allow on their platform promote literal scams. They censor comments, videos, and dislikes, often in deceitful ways like pretending nothing is being blocked to the poster. I could go on.
For a multi-billion dollar company, they provide ample enough reasons to cut them out of the equation as a form of economic protest, and their disloyalty to their creators in many of their decisions is a forever stain on their trust relationship with the public and creators. Which is why Youtube creators routinely try to detach themselves, like streaming on other sites, and why many of them ask you to donate directly instead, so that if Youtube should screw them over (which they have done many times), they can still afford to pay rent.
That’s just wrong. Flat fees aren’t really a thing anymore. Different donation systems have different fees and most charge a percentage of 5% to 12% compared to the 45% of Youtube. But donating to 50 people would be hard on it’s own. Hence why most of us just donate bigger or more frequently to specific creators we want to support more, and over a large amount of people, that somewhat evens out across creators.
Look, nobody is saying that it’s bad to have Youtube Premium, but it’s not exactly good either. I used to have it for years, until I found out they were scamming me on a feature I found important. If none of those things are a concern to you, then go ahead. Just don’t deny the rest of us our grievances.
I’m not a fan of shrinking my echo chamber
I’ll block people who are just plain choosing to be stupid or are annoying, but I don’t want to block people who just disagree with me
Ditto. But it seems to me there are plenty of the former here. Hopefully it’s not me dragging it out of that them.