There’s a difference between writing things to satisfy a “healthy sexual appetite” and some of the honestly disgusting and insane things that get published. I guess I’m more against literary depravity (like removed involving falling in love with your rapist or family stuff, many Wattpad stories are like that) than I am against just erotica.
What you find disgusting some will find normal, and what you find normal some will find disgusting. You do not get to be the arbiter of morality for me any more than I get to be the arbiter of morality for you.
No, that’s nonsense, things are or aren’t more on the side of virtue than vice and vice versa. If you wanna stand for rape, abuse, coercion, weird age gaps, bestiality, etc. in your literature because it turns you on, that’s you, but it’s depraved. And we all get to speak about it, and you don’t have to agree with what I’m saying.
Literature seems a safe space to explore taboo and challenging ideas to me. Do you carry this same standard for violence* in media? Plenty of books feature grotesque depictions of violence and gore which similarly seeks to titillate, just perhaps not sexually; do you think we should be sounding the alarm on violence in media as well?
edit: non-sexual violence, to be clear, as you seem to be focusing on rape fantasy in fiction which is, of course, itself violence.
No ideas are being challenged by these low-brow smut books, come on, it’s just literary porn. Sometimes considering heretical thoughts is the path to enlightenment, but this isn’t relevant when discussing porn, lol. The difference between these books is whether it allows for people to fantasize about unhealthy, morally questionable kinks and maybe even normalize the things I talked about in the previous post, or not, that’s it. And yes, there’s a limit to everything, I also oppose positively framing pointless non-sexual violence, or just having it in for pleasure/titillation, ofc, who wouldn’t?
The question is where do you draw the line? I’m sure that in Victorian times, something like sex with the lights on or anything not heterosexual is
the honestly disgusting and insane things that get published
and
literary depravity
I think a better question is how do we prevent people from getting hurt in real life, not what do you personally find disgusting. I personally cannot watch horror, pimple-popping, even had to look away during some action movies because I think the injury shown in these is disgusting, I actually have a pretty visceral reaction to it, but I don’t argue for these things that will live rent-free in my head in a negative way to stop existing for everyone. I just don’t consume it, and ask people to tag content appropriately if I see it untagged. But of course, if you injure a person in real life and not just on film or a book, then by all means throw the book at them.
I do get your discomfort with seeing things in public. I wouldn’t want the shot of the slasher in the middle of violently killing someone on the public ad. I think if it’s got a visual component do not show it in public, but if it’s text you are probably too close to the other person’s book/phone—I don’t try to snoop on strangers in public and still sometimes see what is on their phones, but I don’t look long enough to read.
It’s brain poison, and you can waste your time with things that are not nearly as depraved. Stop your perspectivism, at some point these things are just morally wrong and shouldn’t be published (any literature that praises/paints in a good light things like rape, assault, abuse, etc just because it makes people wet). Do I think it’s a big thing overall? No, because this is porn for women and women aren’t outside murdering and raping, that’s almost entirely the domain of men. I do think that, especially for those that come from an amoral, postmodern culture and that never knew what it’s like to have a proper male role model, or what male love should be like because their fathers either weren’t at home or were confused and amoral, it can be somewhat dangerous.
There’s a difference between writing things to satisfy a “healthy sexual appetite” and some of the honestly disgusting and insane things that get published. I guess I’m more against literary depravity (like removed involving falling in love with your rapist or family stuff, many Wattpad stories are like that) than I am against just erotica.
What you find disgusting some will find normal, and what you find normal some will find disgusting. You do not get to be the arbiter of morality for me any more than I get to be the arbiter of morality for you.
No, that’s nonsense, things are or aren’t more on the side of virtue than vice and vice versa. If you wanna stand for rape, abuse, coercion, weird age gaps, bestiality, etc. in your literature because it turns you on, that’s you, but it’s depraved. And we all get to speak about it, and you don’t have to agree with what I’m saying.
Literature seems a safe space to explore taboo and challenging ideas to me. Do you carry this same standard for violence* in media? Plenty of books feature grotesque depictions of violence and gore which similarly seeks to titillate, just perhaps not sexually; do you think we should be sounding the alarm on violence in media as well?
edit: non-sexual violence, to be clear, as you seem to be focusing on rape fantasy in fiction which is, of course, itself violence.
No ideas are being challenged by these low-brow smut books, come on, it’s just literary porn. Sometimes considering heretical thoughts is the path to enlightenment, but this isn’t relevant when discussing porn, lol. The difference between these books is whether it allows for people to fantasize about unhealthy, morally questionable kinks and maybe even normalize the things I talked about in the previous post, or not, that’s it. And yes, there’s a limit to everything, I also oppose positively framing pointless non-sexual violence, or just having it in for pleasure/titillation, ofc, who wouldn’t?
The question is where do you draw the line? I’m sure that in Victorian times, something like sex with the lights on or anything not heterosexual is
and
I think a better question is how do we prevent people from getting hurt in real life, not what do you personally find disgusting. I personally cannot watch horror, pimple-popping, even had to look away during some action movies because I think the injury shown in these is disgusting, I actually have a pretty visceral reaction to it, but I don’t argue for these things that will live rent-free in my head in a negative way to stop existing for everyone. I just don’t consume it, and ask people to tag content appropriately if I see it untagged. But of course, if you injure a person in real life and not just on film or a book, then by all means throw the book at them.
I do get your discomfort with seeing things in public. I wouldn’t want the shot of the slasher in the middle of violently killing someone on the public ad. I think if it’s got a visual component do not show it in public, but if it’s text you are probably too close to the other person’s book/phone—I don’t try to snoop on strangers in public and still sometimes see what is on their phones, but I don’t look long enough to read.
It’s brain poison, and you can waste your time with things that are not nearly as depraved. Stop your perspectivism, at some point these things are just morally wrong and shouldn’t be published (any literature that praises/paints in a good light things like rape, assault, abuse, etc just because it makes people wet). Do I think it’s a big thing overall? No, because this is porn for women and women aren’t outside murdering and raping, that’s almost entirely the domain of men. I do think that, especially for those that come from an amoral, postmodern culture and that never knew what it’s like to have a proper male role model, or what male love should be like because their fathers either weren’t at home or were confused and amoral, it can be somewhat dangerous.
I am just going to agree to disagree with you here.
That’s cordial of you, I appreciate it.