The issue is that the “criticisms” that people bring up aren’t reality, they’re propaganda. We can talk about real issues just fine, if/when you spend the time first learning how China really is, then we can actually have a productive discussion and treat you seriously. As it is we’re not gonna act as if disproven shit is real.
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China doesn’t claim to be good enough, it strives to be better by developing the productive forces and preventing capitalists from controlling the state.
Sounded cooler in their head I guess
Brilliant strategy, I’m defeat
@QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml already schooled you so hard
Respond the other questions, give us data, sources, speak with substance if you have any, unless you’re just repeating propaganda, and you wouldn’t do that, right?
If being in favor of financial capitalism doesn’t make you “right wing” nothing does lol
It’s disgusting. I hate that diaspora people think they have a right to speak over people living back home who are actually being bombed.
Sure, but I’ll defend any government protecting its people from being bombed by imperialists, after the war is over we can critique again.
Liberalism can claim to stand for whatever, it’s still a fact that liberal governments participated in wars, invasions, regime change operations, economic warfare, genocide.
Liberalism obscures the systemic nature of problems by focusing on and promoting Individualist ideals. The reason liberalism is in crisis is that it doesn’t work, not that it’s not implemented correctly.
You do realize you’re using anecdotes to dismiss China, but don’t tolerate anecdotes that counter that? It’s almost like you already made up your mind.
Go and read sources, check how most Chinese people consider their government democratic according to western NGOs (so you can’t blame the government for bias/meddling), same as with Vietnam, and how low western liberal democracies score in the same reports. Check statistics of the insane material harm that Japan and western regimes did to these countries, and how they still recovered, how China lifted 800 million out of poverty, how their lives keep getting better day after day while most people in our countries infrastructure is crumbling down. Or how most Chinese people own their homes, while most of us can only hope to own a house if we come from wealth or got enough support and luck to end with a very well paid job (and a mortgage that we’ll pay for years to come).
We have comrades within China who lived there most or all of their life, yes.
Saved, thanks for sharing
Look into literally every war they supported, it’s always false pretenses. They instigated Kuwait to get in trouble with Iraq, then told Iraq they wouldn’t oppose them invading Kuwait, then after Iraq invaded the US media apparatus lied everywhere that Iraqis disconnected hundreds of babies from incubators, killing them.
Still with Iraq, they told the world that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, that they had to be stopped for the safety of all USAmericans. Even though the weapons inspectors said it was patently false. The US invaded, many European countries supported them. After a very painful invasion where it’s estimated between hundreds of thousands to a million Iraqis were murdered by the US and their allies (and many, many more when you count those who died from other factors caused by the invasion, such as lack of infrastructure, hospitals, food, etc), after all of this did they find WMDs? Take a guess.
The US told us that Gaddafi was using mass rape against his enemies, and people believed it until after they bombed Libyans to rubble. Turns out, they lied.
Amnesty International curiously enough lied as well, they echoed the claims about Kuwait babies killed by the Iraqi army and the mass rape by Gaddafi’s troops until after the US punished those countries and their peoples severely. Then they went back on their word, because as it turns out they were lying. So if even organizations that occasionally do decent work can’t be trusted not to amplify imperialism, how can we trust those that are even worse?
Can you trust the same newspapers that have told us for years that no genocide is happening in Gaza? That we should condemn Hamas? That Israel has the most moral army? We saw with our own eyes what they did and still do to children in Gaza. And to this day BBC, NYT and others still frame Israel as victims of aggression, and the real victims as untrustworthy terrorists. We can’t trust a word about anything involving politics because even now they lie through framing, through omission.
When Iran is done I wanna cuddle it, looks cute