Shocked i got this far without someone blaming snaps
What a bloat
- Everything is a framework under a framework running on a pseudo virtual machine. 6 GB are just for the notepad and the mouse driver.
Just use Debian
Or arch
or if you can’t get that to go (i had some hardware support issues) look to MX Linux or Linux Mint XFCE
I wonder how much of this is just modern web apps… even running without a containerized distro and a leaner DE - I still have +90% of my RAM taken up by websites.
Modern UI development is such fucking shit. I have no idea why they went with all of these heavyweight shit frameworks.
Seriously, why do so many simple websites take more than and run worse that so many video games?
Me with 16 GB on my computer
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Fun thing, I just booted up an old computer. Started right up. It had Ubuntu 11.10 on it.
Now, I obviously didn’t connect the thing to the Internet. Updates would have probably failed hard. Not because it’s missing over a decade of updates so there might be some complications on that front, but because it’s a Pentium III with Definitely Not Even a Gigabyte of memory. (Oh and a Nvidia GeForce 2 MX. I’m pretty sure that’s not supported by… any driver any more.)
Clone the hard drive and see what happens!
I’m putting money on what we in the business technically refer to as “complete pants shitting”
The question I have is whether Javascript will ever become faster, and not be a security vulnerability.
If it was sandboxed maybe it could use a lower level language like Golang or Julia, something still easy but far faster?
That’s pretty much what a browser needs these days.
Reject modernity. Embrace lynx browser from terminal.
Gemini protocol is pretty good and minimal. But very little usage unfortunately.
8GB was barely enough 10 years ago. That’s when I switched to Arch+KDE. Then KDE started using more. memory.
More memory meaning? From 800Mb to 1GB? I’d say, for what plasma is, its ram usage is low.
agreed. KDE is pretty much the gold standard of the usability versus resource usage tradeoff, IMHO. From what I’ve seen: Websites/Web Browsers = worst offenders.
The difference was hundreds of MB, but when you’re working with 8GB every bit counts. At that time KDE had an edge over Gnome. At some point the difference wasn’t there anymore.
I was rationing what software I had open so as to avoid hitting swap because that’s when there’s a noticeable lag. Gnome was worse at recovering from that.
If you want lightweight, KDE is not your best choice. LXQt and Xfce are actually intended for low resource usage.
“HERE’S A NICKLE, KID. GET YOURSELF A BETTER COMPUTER.”
20 years ago when Scott Adams was still a moderately sane human.
In post PC ownership cyberpunk dystopia well all be running slack
I would be but I misplaced the “a1” disk.
In this economy?
Great move in these times where RAM is cheap and widely available
Canonical has never been accused of being able to read the room.
I mean they didn’t go “well, let’s just use 2GB more RAM now”. They looked at the pre-release, and judged that for a good experience you should have 6GB. Chances are that resource consumption of 25.10 hasn’t been very different in practice.
what the dog doin
That dog is so dead by now
A dog dies twice. The first time is when its soul leaves its body, and the second time is when the meme of it is posted the last time.
If you’re strugging to afford an 8GB RAM chip, you may want to reconsider some of your life choices. Even with current market prices.
It’s not the one thing that’s gone to hell. rent is on it’s way up all over the world, unemployment is way up, food costs are up. Ram, SSD, Gas, Electricity. Over the past year, most things have gotten more expensive. Evevrything has gone up except salaries.
Transport costs are about to skyrocket. That’ll add several more percent on everything.
From an indie dev standpoint, maybe you’re just insulated more than most.
Poverty = life choices is the most reddit I’ve seen in Lemmy in a long while
No doubt the two aren’t always connected, but in the US at least, 8gb isnt exactly breaking the average American household’s bank. And if it is, yeah I’d argue they’re doing something wrong in their decisions. One could mow a few lawns and have enough cash to keep up with the modern requirements of an OS.
JFC. Zero self awareness here. Peak fucking American.
“No doubt they are always connected but I double down anyway”.
One could mow a few lawns and have enough cash to keep up with the modern requirements of an 0S.
Now that’s not just reddit, thats Fox News levels disconnect with reality.
Never thought I’d see “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” being used to defend inflated RAM prices, it’s getting wild over here
The median daily income in the USA is 70$ https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-median-income
According to T Mobile the average phone bill per month in the USA is 156$.
https://www.t-mobile.com/dialed-in/wireless/average-phone-bill-per-month
On newegg you can buy 8TV ram for $15.76 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=RAM+8gb&Submit=ENE&pageTitle=RAM+8gb&Order=1
So yes, he’s fucking right. Most people in the USA can afford 8GB RAM and if they cannot, they should consider looking into their expenditures.
I’m speaking American since you’re quoting Fox News… Because it seems you’re so self aware you forgot other countries exist. But that’s just you’re average Lemmy user “I’m more woke than you” kind of bullshit.
Fucking hell you people are so tiring. Nobody supports anything going against its own world view. You make me cringe so fucking much.
WTF you gonna do with PC3 ram, you have a good supply of ancient hardware or something?
Run ubuntu.
Average phone bill per month is 156$? Wtf do u have to do to get such a high phone bill lol
that’s probably per ‘household’ not ‘per line’ or ‘per person’.
Dont ask me idk
I’m quoting Fox because the other mentioned US. Blame them for US centrism, but then please update your incomes and costs to somewhere like Somalia, or even Greece. But that would be too woke or something?
Even if most people can, that doesn’t mean that if you can’t is because of bad decisions. That means being homeless is because of bad decisions. That means that those already on debt for medical issues made a bad decision.
For a lot of people spending those 16 dollars on RAM is the bad decision.
BTW, median income is absurd. You can have income and still spend on living expenses more than you earn. Now please tell me people needs to move to rural Ohio to maw grass to buy 8 gigs of RAM.
Edit: somehow I’ve struck a nerve with people from programing.dev who created the account on the same day, never commented anything and saw my comment within a few minutes of one another. I think I’ve struck a nerve :)
What a fucking dumb hill to die on when factually proven wrong.
Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Surviving off creditcards and buy now pay later.
Something tells me you don’t exactly have your finger on the pulse of “average” America.
Fuck out of here with this bullshit
You’re right. I’m a developer making great money and I dont want to pay these prices. I should have stayed in retail so it would never even be an option to consider.
Please everyone read or at least skim articles before posting. The article literally says, that it’s “an honest bump” to allow typical usage like web browsing and multitasking.
Ubuntu experts at OMG Ubuntu characterize the latest revision in RAM specs as “an honesty bump.” In other words, the core OS isn’t really more demanding on system resources this time around, but Canonical recognizes that with the latest Gnome desktop, modern web browsers, and typical multitasking workflows, users should look at a minimum of 6GB of RAM.
latest Gnome desktop, modern web browsers, and typical multitasking workflows
so use a lighter-weight de (xfce, lxqt, budgie), and don’t go crazy with brower tabs or open applications, and you’ll be ok… like you’re probably already doing now if you’ve got a ‘marginal’ pc.
But that’s not honest.
Ubuntu’s default browser, and other apps, are snap-based. They take significantly more resourced than their Debian counterparts.
Web browsing is the real murder here… and i dont want to know how much memory is solely spent on ads
None if you use a good adblocker, like you should be doing.
The week after GDPR went into effect was amazing. Almost nobody was ready, so they just turned off all their ads and tracking for European IPs while they figured it out. Pages loaded pretty much instantly.
Please everyone read or at least skim articles before posting.
NEVER!
But that requires actually READING 😖 /j
Downvoted, textwall!
/j
Tldr pls?
🔻
I’m concerned about in-system bloat because I read the linked article.
Rather, it’s more of an honesty bump. Components that make up the distro – the GNOME desktop and extensions, modern web browsers (and the sites we load in them) and the kinds of apps we use (and keep running) whilst multitasking are more demanding.
The desktop itself isn’t the only reason that you need more RAM, but it’s definitely one of them.
I totally get it but with the current rampocalypse I’d delay it just for the optics alone
