Already do. I get reminded everyday that my country is super evil but there’s not much I can do about it aside from voting which from what I understand this sublemmy doesn’t believe will do anything. So if that’s the case, guess I’m just fucked anyway? No matter what I do, my country will bomb other countries to the ground and its my fault??
Do you actually care, that your labour and tax are used to commit the gravest horrors onto other people, or do you just pretend to care for virtue signaling? If it’s the former then there is much more you can do than vote every few years.
Is there? I can protest, but that’s more so to raise awareness and visibility than actually doing anything to overthrow the government. I suppose if I somehow rally enough support during a protest, then I might be able to pull my own January 6, but that’s assuming the coup will succeed. Furthermore, I’m not good at hacking government interfaces, nor am I a super soldier. So I have no skills related to toppling governments. That being said, what’s your suggestion in my position? Keep in mind, I have people who depend on me being alive right now, so I’m not going to go on a suicide mission that may or may not succeed. If it had a 100% chance of success, then maybe we could talk about it.
There’s no need to sacrifice yourself, such actions rarely lead to good results. Everyone has their own way to contribute, but historically some sort of organizing effort has always been necessary for regular people to wield power over their rulers. Organizing takes different shapes depending on your goal. But suppose your goal is to disrupt the US war machine.
Look for small ways in which you might be part of or adjacent to this machine. Does your workplace work with arms manufacturers or other infrastructure used in warfare? Is there a heavily complicit company in or near your neighbourhood? Does your city/municipality have contracts with complicit companies? These are all things you can organise against. A campaign starts with awareness. Stand with a sign next to a company building and talk to workers about how their employer is contributing to mass murder. Or organize a protest. Or do something else that better fits your qualities.
Maybe set up a petition and build your campaign around that. Talk to people in your environment to agitate them. Educate yourself so you can educate others. After and during the awareness stage you start to recruit other people who want to take action. Together you can build a plan to achieve your goals. This plan should create the pressure necessary to change policy or supply chains either through a worker strike, direct action, mass mobilisation or maybe something else.
Read about organizing tactics from the book secrets of a successful organizer (or another book about the topic)
There are so many ways in which you can organize it’s impossible for me to tell you what’s best for you to do. It all depends on your qualities and your surroundings. But you can at least try, and learn from your experience. No one person can change the current course of the US. The threat of mass organization is the only thing that scares the people in power into moving at least a little bit towards the demands of the people they rule over.
This answer is not super coherent since it’s such a broad topic but I just want to impress upon you that being a citizen of the world means to engage with the world and how it impacts you and how you impact it. With enough people you can topple governments, but with less you can still significantly impact supply chains and/or policy. If you do nothing we are guaranteed to lose. If we all do something and coordinate, we can collectively wield more power than the people in charge.
Yup. Keep going to work to fund atrocities domestically and overseas. When you’re not doing that, show up at a demonstration. But don’t ever demonstrate violently like the French or anything. That’s bad, mkay?
If every American did just a bit of that simultaneously, nobody would be worrying about either. They’d be worrying about their country and it’s consequences to the globe. Something Americans are incapable of. No mass unrest, no unrest to register. The job market is already upsidedown, again, under trump, again. What’s the worst in tipping the scale over and bouncing off of rock bottom? It’s what the world needs. It’s what you need. It’s what I need. China did it. The French still do it. Americans have lived catered to buy slaves and slave labor since this countries inception, ain’t nobody willing to get uncomfortable even in the face of oppressive regime. So, yes. Get into unsecured debt. Try out homelessness while you protest in the streets. Nobody in their right minds goes to work, protest, then work again. Fucking commit or be honest that your so called values are hollow virtue signaling. Come on in, the waters fine.
I don’t think you realize that you are advocating for the destruction of lives more than the destruction of America. It is chaos and absorbs chaos. The system I am stuck in was made by design to bend instead of break and the obstinance and disconnect from both the corrupt elite and those deluded into supporting them is a larger barrier than people outside of the country understand.
I am an American, born here. I get it. Hardship is not the destruction of lives, nor is bankruptcy, nor is homelessness. The destruction of life is the destruction of life. What path are we on? How far down the tracks are you? The same track we’re all tied to on this sinking ship. So, quick! Do nothing differently!!
“All you have to do is convince 150 million adults to sacrifice what little safety and security they feel they have to do a thing they’ve never personally experienced through decades of propaganda. Why are you still sitting there, crying?”
Every reasonable person knows that. But people aren’t reasonable. The average person is a complete fucking moron. Tack on to that idiocy, you’ve also got years of talk radio, podcasts, and Cambridge Analytica technology in social media affecting their brains and you’re not going to reach them. That’s not to say they can’t be reached, but you’re not going to convince them. There’s not an argument or series of arguments that will reach them. They need to experience things to get out of that mindset. We’re finally seeing that come to pass as layoffs, food and fuel costs are angering people. They’re shaking their heads a little. We will get there. I have no idea how much damage will be done before then. I have no idea what systems are recoverable. I don’t know if there will be too many people in concentration camps, I don’t know if we’re going to have any water or farmable land. And I don’t know if there will be anything worth fighting for by the time enough people decide to fight. I suppose that’s how many of these events play out in history. Authoritarian regimes are temporary by nature. Who survives them and how is always changing.
I’ll take a moment to note some challenges about living and fighting in America. The country is huge. Moving people from one part to another is not trivial. Ask anyone who went to a big concert, or a hot vacation spot how it went and they will always mention the traffic. And that’s just an uptick in people at one location. Doing things en masse requires infrastructure we don’t have. And along with that infrastructure, any given spot has about 3 days of food without trucks. No one area (save for Central California) grows enough of a variety of foods to exist on. The central plains have wheat and corn, the coasts have fruit, the South has livestock. Not only do we only exist for a few days without resupply, the resupply routes are days of constant driving to do so from different parts of the country simultaneously. Most any Western State is the size of European Countries. To get produce from California to Washington DC is like moving it from Spain to Ukraine. Or Ireland to Uzbekistan.
So, tell me, how easy is it for an Irishman to convince parts of the UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland (just kidding, they’d never join anything), Italy, Austria, Greece, Czechia, Romania, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and maybe even Georgia and Azerbaijan to keep supplying them with food and supplies as they do a general strike with potentially no forceful outcome? Or even that same Irishman to travel to the political seat of Uzbekistan with members of the aforementioned countries in tow in numbers large enough to affect change and make sure people are supplied along the way? You tell me how to make that happen and I’ll do my part in mapping it out.
Didn’t you hear, They’re doing a strike on may 1.
A whole complete day, the regime will crumble!!!
The irony of this date and that normal countries have that day off (fully paid) anyway.
Achieved by people who actually and literally fought for it, where strikes went on for weeks and months, a virtual war of attrition.
We earned it, nothing was given.
And I’m going to use that day to ridicule TF out of these losers.
Kindly notify me once the revolution starts, and I’ll participate. Otherwise, I’ll just be throwing my life away for nothing in return by trying to start one myself. It would honestly do nothing but aid the fascists in their propaganda that leftists are violent and need to have their rights taken away. Therefore, I will only do that when there’s nothing left of value in living, so at least I would go out in a bang.
Already do. I get reminded everyday that my country is super evil but there’s not much I can do about it aside from voting which from what I understand this sublemmy doesn’t believe will do anything. So if that’s the case, guess I’m just fucked anyway? No matter what I do, my country will bomb other countries to the ground and its my fault??
You can get organized. Join a party like PSL!
Do you actually care, that your labour and tax are used to commit the gravest horrors onto other people, or do you just pretend to care for virtue signaling? If it’s the former then there is much more you can do than vote every few years.
Is there? I can protest, but that’s more so to raise awareness and visibility than actually doing anything to overthrow the government. I suppose if I somehow rally enough support during a protest, then I might be able to pull my own January 6, but that’s assuming the coup will succeed. Furthermore, I’m not good at hacking government interfaces, nor am I a super soldier. So I have no skills related to toppling governments. That being said, what’s your suggestion in my position? Keep in mind, I have people who depend on me being alive right now, so I’m not going to go on a suicide mission that may or may not succeed. If it had a 100% chance of success, then maybe we could talk about it.
No suicide missions.
Learn to garden.
Learn to cook.
Learn some basic first aid.
Find a food not bombs.
Hell, join DSA or make your own chapter.
This is going to be work and we need all the hands we can get.
There’s no need to sacrifice yourself, such actions rarely lead to good results. Everyone has their own way to contribute, but historically some sort of organizing effort has always been necessary for regular people to wield power over their rulers. Organizing takes different shapes depending on your goal. But suppose your goal is to disrupt the US war machine.
Look for small ways in which you might be part of or adjacent to this machine. Does your workplace work with arms manufacturers or other infrastructure used in warfare? Is there a heavily complicit company in or near your neighbourhood? Does your city/municipality have contracts with complicit companies? These are all things you can organise against. A campaign starts with awareness. Stand with a sign next to a company building and talk to workers about how their employer is contributing to mass murder. Or organize a protest. Or do something else that better fits your qualities.
Maybe set up a petition and build your campaign around that. Talk to people in your environment to agitate them. Educate yourself so you can educate others. After and during the awareness stage you start to recruit other people who want to take action. Together you can build a plan to achieve your goals. This plan should create the pressure necessary to change policy or supply chains either through a worker strike, direct action, mass mobilisation or maybe something else.
Read about organizing tactics from the book secrets of a successful organizer (or another book about the topic)
There are so many ways in which you can organize it’s impossible for me to tell you what’s best for you to do. It all depends on your qualities and your surroundings. But you can at least try, and learn from your experience. No one person can change the current course of the US. The threat of mass organization is the only thing that scares the people in power into moving at least a little bit towards the demands of the people they rule over.
This answer is not super coherent since it’s such a broad topic but I just want to impress upon you that being a citizen of the world means to engage with the world and how it impacts you and how you impact it. With enough people you can topple governments, but with less you can still significantly impact supply chains and/or policy. If you do nothing we are guaranteed to lose. If we all do something and coordinate, we can collectively wield more power than the people in charge.
you’re a country of cowardly Uncle Tom’s.
Yup. Keep going to work to fund atrocities domestically and overseas. When you’re not doing that, show up at a demonstration. But don’t ever demonstrate violently like the French or anything. That’s bad, mkay?
😗 Can’t tell if sarcastic. Are you saying become homeless and in forever debt instead of trying to survive?
If every American did just a bit of that simultaneously, nobody would be worrying about either. They’d be worrying about their country and it’s consequences to the globe. Something Americans are incapable of. No mass unrest, no unrest to register. The job market is already upsidedown, again, under trump, again. What’s the worst in tipping the scale over and bouncing off of rock bottom? It’s what the world needs. It’s what you need. It’s what I need. China did it. The French still do it. Americans have lived catered to buy slaves and slave labor since this countries inception, ain’t nobody willing to get uncomfortable even in the face of oppressive regime. So, yes. Get into unsecured debt. Try out homelessness while you protest in the streets. Nobody in their right minds goes to work, protest, then work again. Fucking commit or be honest that your so called values are hollow virtue signaling. Come on in, the waters fine.
I don’t think you realize that you are advocating for the destruction of lives more than the destruction of America. It is chaos and absorbs chaos. The system I am stuck in was made by design to bend instead of break and the obstinance and disconnect from both the corrupt elite and those deluded into supporting them is a larger barrier than people outside of the country understand.
I am an American, born here. I get it. Hardship is not the destruction of lives, nor is bankruptcy, nor is homelessness. The destruction of life is the destruction of life. What path are we on? How far down the tracks are you? The same track we’re all tied to on this sinking ship. So, quick! Do nothing differently!!
What a powerful tool and ability perspective is. I hope the best for you as you do nothing in your own direction as we get pulled by this ship.
“All you have to do is convince 150 million adults to sacrifice what little safety and security they feel they have to do a thing they’ve never personally experienced through decades of propaganda. Why are you still sitting there, crying?”
i’m assuming that this is snark, but this will come to pass eventually if that 150 million continues on this path.
Every reasonable person knows that. But people aren’t reasonable. The average person is a complete fucking moron. Tack on to that idiocy, you’ve also got years of talk radio, podcasts, and Cambridge Analytica technology in social media affecting their brains and you’re not going to reach them. That’s not to say they can’t be reached, but you’re not going to convince them. There’s not an argument or series of arguments that will reach them. They need to experience things to get out of that mindset. We’re finally seeing that come to pass as layoffs, food and fuel costs are angering people. They’re shaking their heads a little. We will get there. I have no idea how much damage will be done before then. I have no idea what systems are recoverable. I don’t know if there will be too many people in concentration camps, I don’t know if we’re going to have any water or farmable land. And I don’t know if there will be anything worth fighting for by the time enough people decide to fight. I suppose that’s how many of these events play out in history. Authoritarian regimes are temporary by nature. Who survives them and how is always changing.
I’ll take a moment to note some challenges about living and fighting in America. The country is huge. Moving people from one part to another is not trivial. Ask anyone who went to a big concert, or a hot vacation spot how it went and they will always mention the traffic. And that’s just an uptick in people at one location. Doing things en masse requires infrastructure we don’t have. And along with that infrastructure, any given spot has about 3 days of food without trucks. No one area (save for Central California) grows enough of a variety of foods to exist on. The central plains have wheat and corn, the coasts have fruit, the South has livestock. Not only do we only exist for a few days without resupply, the resupply routes are days of constant driving to do so from different parts of the country simultaneously. Most any Western State is the size of European Countries. To get produce from California to Washington DC is like moving it from Spain to Ukraine. Or Ireland to Uzbekistan.
So, tell me, how easy is it for an Irishman to convince parts of the UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland (just kidding, they’d never join anything), Italy, Austria, Greece, Czechia, Romania, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and maybe even Georgia and Azerbaijan to keep supplying them with food and supplies as they do a general strike with potentially no forceful outcome? Or even that same Irishman to travel to the political seat of Uzbekistan with members of the aforementioned countries in tow in numbers large enough to affect change and make sure people are supplied along the way? You tell me how to make that happen and I’ll do my part in mapping it out.
Well put. I wish more people put 1/10th the thought into posting that you demonstrate. Specifically on other social platforms, go Lemmy.
Didn’t you hear, They’re doing a strike on may 1.
A whole complete day, the regime will crumble!!!
The irony of this date and that normal countries have that day off (fully paid) anyway.
Achieved by people who actually and literally fought for it, where strikes went on for weeks and months, a virtual war of attrition.
We earned it, nothing was given.
And I’m going to use that day to ridicule TF out of these losers.
They’re not just taking a long weekend, they’re going on strike!
And buying twice as much on the 2nd of May.
Kindly notify me once the revolution starts, and I’ll participate. Otherwise, I’ll just be throwing my life away for nothing in return by trying to start one myself. It would honestly do nothing but aid the fascists in their propaganda that leftists are violent and need to have their rights taken away. Therefore, I will only do that when there’s nothing left of value in living, so at least I would go out in a bang.