People here will literally tell you “I don’t want to hear about it” but then complain about the gas prices. It feels like a total Don’t Look Up moment.
Locking for rule 6.
I haven’t watched cnn for years but this weekend they started talking about “enemies of our country like Iran ….” where their starting assumption was that bombing Iran was a normal thing to do, so the rest of the newscast wasn’t worth listening to
Have you already forgotten when the exact same people wanted to know why prices were going up but absolutely didn’t tolerate that anyone mentionned tariffs in their reply?
Because there’s NOTHING we can do about it right now. Nothing.
Thats because Americans tend to be lazy, apathetic, and generally quite privileged. Most Americans dont want to think about their privilege nor about the suffering needed to perpetuate American dominance. They just want to live in comfort and thinking about these things make them deeply uncomfortable so most choose not to at all.
I think you put it perfectly
They’re like the rabbits in Watership Down who know they’re being farmed, but can’t admit it to themselves
For the Maga faithful its because they put so much of their identity into Trump and ignoring the othersides list of monsterous things him and his admin are doing.
For the rest of us its a matter of being informed and actually doing something. I find its better to focus on what you really know and care about and are willing to be invloved with, then trying to consume content about EVERY issue in the world.
Republicans want whatever trump wants.
Centrist democrats want whatever netanyahu wants.
I’m on the left. What I want doesn’t matter and I’m tired of getting blamed because centrists have to pretend they don’t love everything turmp is doing.
Because they are directly responsible for it.
They’re MAGA, and want to keep pretending that they haven’t broken the entire fucking world.
Trump is the kid that would come to your house to visit, and break YOUR toys.
The 1/3rd of eligible voters who didn’t vote in 2024 aren’t MAGA . They’re just some combination of dissolutioned and ignorant. They’re also not up to the task of navigating the pathetic state of the modern information environment.
If you didn’t vote, then you might as well be MAGA. American Democracy is literally on the line, no excuses accepted.
The US has never been a democracy
It’s about time we start having a war that affects us negatively even in a limited capacity. Honestly, I think the fact most USA citizens haven’t experienced war, especially as the being invaded side, makes them complacent and just war happy.
they are in denial and don’t want to admit they made a mistake voting for trump.
As a foreigner witnessing my own people voting for some representatives that spread nothing but a desire to destroy all they can, here in France, the real question is: knowing what’s happening and if given a chance to travel back in time to change their vote, how many of them would still vote for the same candidate because they hate the other side more than they hate hurting themselves?
Too many, is the answer.
Base instincts to hurt others are just too strong.
If people are emotionally hurt, they abuse themself (throw themselves into work etc). What do you think would stop people from hurting/abusing others?
If people are emotionally hurt, they abuse themself (throw themselves into work etc). What do you think would stop people from hurting/abusing others?
That, I could not tell. What I can tell is that education was supposed to help fight that by helping all of us (not just ‘them’) learn to think more… adequately when faced with a problem. ie, to not decide on anything based only on…
Base instincts to hurt others are just too strong.
Here again, the only tool working against our instincts, all of them, is… education.
So, the failing of the public educative system that has been happening in the USA for the last few decades, a very similar failure to what is happening right here in France (since approx. the 70s-80s) and what is happening in way too many other democracies too, is the real issue.
At least, I think so. People not being educated in school is what’s making the situation real dramatic. And it could even be hopeless.
The school has been increasingly failing at teaching kids much of anything, and even less so how to properly think by not being taught:
- how to properly read books, aka being able to access and understand nuanced/complex information and ideas, and being to properly listen to people expressing nuanced ideas.
- how to write, aka how to properly express their own nuanced ideas and how to properly share them with one another.
- how to do math, even simple calculus, aka be able to manipulate basic logic and abstraction. Heck, how many kids are not even being taught how to properly read a clock anymore (the one with hands and numbers written all around… sorry, my English is really lacking here and I’m not sure what terms I should use) or even funnier how to read roman numerals on a clock? It’s obviously very symbolic but by not teaching kids how to read time on a clock, we’re kinda leaving left out of time trapping in an endless and formless present.
When you remove reading, writing, abstraction and thinking in a nuanced fashion from education, you stop creating citizens that will be able to manage living together in society, including with people they disagree with. All you’re left with are… basic instincts and gut feelings. And, like a wrote in another thread a few days ago: we all know that what usually come out of guts of our guts is not bright ideas, right?
Heck, I would even say that not properly teach them how to speak foreign languages we’re betraying kids. Including what we now wrongfully call dead language, Latin and Greek.
How many US citizens have no idea their precious Founding Fathers they’re so proud of were indeed real intellectual, real nerds that enjoyed books and could read them in a few languages, including Latin and Greek (including my own French, in which so many essential ideas were formalized around that time too, ideas that helped shape the revolutionaries ideals)?
Why is that not a requirement anymore? Do we really think we’re so much smarter than them, that they were too dumb to realize it was ‘a waste of their time’ to read dusty Latin and Greek, or some other language outside of English? Or can we start considering the idea that maybe, just maybe, they were reading those texts in the original, not in translation, because they realized it was giving them a direct, unmediated, unfiltered, uncensored access to essential ideas and thoughts that helped shape their own?
So to get back to your question, how could that trend change?
I have no certainty but I do think that if people started asking question about the failing of their public education, the damage that is being to their own kids. If they started investing their energy into educating again (there was a time back then when it meant something to get a diploma and, nope, it was not all about getting a better paying job). If they started doing that today, then in a few years maybe things could start moving in the right direction again.
But this would still take years and, what an odd coincidence, it happens we’re now being intensely educated to not tolerate being asked to wait a few days, or even a few instants, to get what we want. So, the idea of working for a few years without getting any immediate feedback is rather unlikely to happen, I’m afraid.
Meanwhile, while the public education, the one that is accessible to all kids no matter how wealth their family is, while this school is collapsing under its own and unprecedented level of stupidity, the private education system, the one that is accessible only to wealthy kids, is doing quite ok. But, obviously, than can only be another odd coincidence we should certainly not worry about: elites kids being properly educated while the wider population is being intensely un-educated.
I’m now waiting to see who will first explain it will be a good idea to suppress teacher’s jobs from the education as it will save so much money (like if school was supposed to be a business making money) and to replace them with AI… Another thing that is 100% owned by a handful of elites that will now also get to decide what and how kids will be educated… just not with their own kids, mind you, as those privileged few will keep on receiving proper education, aka human-made, in their fancy private schools.
So, putting books in the hands of kids. Even more so difficult books would be a good starting point.
Go read a biography of some of those founding fathers I mentioned, see what they were studying and reading when they were kids and compare that to the absolute garbage and pure non-sense today’s kids and teens are expected to… no even read anymore, because it’s too demanding to read. Well, it happens making a revolution (against the world first or second empire of back then, Britain), and creating a new republic based on democratic principle was a also quite demanding too. But here again, that is obviously just a mere coincidence and those people created the USA by sheer luck.
I think I agree with your points. The society today has become constrained that beyond work, there’s no reason to do any of this (enjoy reading books, talking in multiple languages, etc.) in adulthood.
How do people know to cherish this and train the next generation if they don’t do it in the first place?
How do people know to cherish this and train the next generation if they don’t do it in the first place?
Like with everything new: through trial and errors. Another essential thing our tech-ridden world tries so hard to make young people not realize: anything worth learning is hard work. Be it to ride a bike, to write and to read, to send a ship into space or to… walk.
Now, how is one to realize education is sorely lacking?
Imho, one needs to look at young generations and see how completely lost they feel and… act. My idea is that young people have not magically become dumber today than they were some 50 years ago. So, if they’re as smart as they used to, what else has changed that could explain that sad situation?
Quite obviously, the world around them has changed but fundamentals have not (people want food & shelter, sex and will work or do war to get that). Much more importantly imho, the real change happened between how people were educated back then and how they’re being educated today.
Why is that more important than any other change? Like I was saying earlier, education is what is supposed to help people think and be able to deal with problems, any type of problems. Give them a shitty education and they will deal with any problem in a shitty manner.
Right. This is exactly why I don’t talk to my family anymore.
Or that it was fine to not vote
Because Americans are idiots
Because don’t look up wasn’t about covid.
Congrats, now you know the situation in Russia regarding the Ukraine war.
People feel powerless, are swamped by trying to make a living (which is by design), and at the same time feel like this is all wrong and someone ought to do something about it, which leads to a sense of guilt and shame.
So they shield themselves from it and wait for it to pass.they also can’t do anything about it.
just like, you can’t do anything about your loved ones getting cancer or other misfortunes of life. And presuming that you can… is just going to destroy you emotionally. All you can do when subjected to forces beyond your control is just keep on moving on and accept it that you have no control over it.
They don’t want to be confronted with the point that their own vote for Trump caused this whole mess.
There’s a lot of evidence suggesting this presidency was stolen. What would you say if you learned that the majority of America didn’t want him back in the oval office?
It is not just the last election. The downfall of US politics is coming for decades now, and is not only caused by the recklessness of the Republicans, but also by the infighting and lethargy of the Democrats.
What about lethargy and infighting of leftists? You don’t even make it onto the ballot lol. My point is that many Americans are opponents of the trump regime and being critical of them is blaming the victim
They may see themselves as opponents to Trump, but a lot of things they did actually lead to the Republicans and Trump come to power. Shit did not happen to start in 2024, 2020 or even 2016. It started promising in 1776, and went downhill from there because of the lack of political maintenance.
This is a national responsibility, starting with simply accepting an outdated voting system, politics based on outdated and ambiguous documents and a failure to update them to be more precise. There is no flow of lessons learned back into the core of the system. There are no attempts to keep political corruption in check.
…leftists?
I mean, basic math already showed us that the majority didn’t want him in office either time. But even with all of the shady shit and even straight up election fraud he couldn’t have won without the votes from a large number of people who purposely chose the hate filled pedophile option.
Do you know what election fraud is?
