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so you’re saying going to war against a neighboring nation to expand your territory is not what an empire does?
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the “neighboring nation” I was referring to were the indigenous people. North America was not a blank slate before Europeans arrived. “manifest destiny” was imperialism
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and my question is why do you think that’s not a form of imperialism
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so, just walking through your own argument as I understand it: situations that are similar to the treatment of indigenous North Americans by the US can be considered imperialism, if it’s done by one nation to another nation. but the actual treatment of indigenous peoples by the US doesn’t meet that condition. the result of that syllogism must be: between the US and the indigenous peoples, one of them is not a nation. I assume you’re not saying that the US is not a nation. so the conclusion must be that the indigenous North American peoples were not a nation, or multiple nations; that there was no political or societal organization in the Americas before Europeans came. is that what you mean, or have I misunderstood?
I just know my shithole red state is gonna become even worse after the collapse. Heres to.hoping Cascadia will accept my family.
Thinking about moving to portland just in case (if I can’t make it out the country that is)
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Mandated Constitutional Convention every 200 years wouldn’t be a bad idea. Rewrite the whole thing.
Maybe also mandate the execution of the 1% at the same time. A solid reset.
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As an American, I am ok with that. I am probably 1% btw.
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Why’d you say you’re not from the US in another comment
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It is collapsing, though not because of any 250 year tendency.
You sure about that
Yep. The US Empire is collapsing because the global south is developing, and pivoting more towards south-south trade and mutual development over naked imperialism. The string of recent hard aggression is trying to install compradors to keep this scheme going for a bit longer, but the industrial base of the empire is hollowed out.
If you don’t live in the US, Russia, China, India or Israel then you live in a vassal state. The global south isn’t developing independently. It’s being segmented between the US and China via soft or hard power (e.g. belt and road initiative). There is no revolution of the disenfranchised. It’s just major powers doing what major powers do as we enter a new geopolitical paradigm.
The global south is developing partially with the assistance of the PRC, yes, but there’s also general south-south trade and alliances, like the Alliance of Sahel States. The PRC isn’t imperialist, it isn’t plundering the global south. BRI has been enourmous for win-win economic development, compared to western enforced austerity and plundering.
Vassals of the empire include western Europe, Israel, Austrailia, etc, imperialist powers that don’t outweigh the US Empire but still benefit from imperialism. The global south aren’t vassals, they are imperialized (but breaking free). The new geopolitical paradigm will be marked by a rise in the global south, having escaped underdevelopment, and the decline in single hegemonic powers like the US.
China’s investments aren’t for anything other than the growth of its hegemonic power through the strategic control of satellite states. The carrot is easier than the stick and has better optics. However China can and will stomp out any geopolitical threat within its area of influence even if it is diametrically opposed to whatever the citizens of said state want. It is a superpowerful police state with global ambitions. The global south isn’t breaking free. It’s selling itself to China.
The Belt and Road Initiative is certainly benefiting China, but it’s a win-win situation. China isn’t planting millitary bases anywhere, and isn’t forcing the global south to sell out their autonomy. It is not a police state, nor does it have global ambitions of hegemony.
It is not a police state, nor does it have global ambitions of hegemony.
Lol okay. What world do you live in?
But what if it’s a slow burn instead of a bang?
Also, remember how eastern Roman Empire kept going, on an unrelated note, Canada’s economy is actually doing decent compared to the US.
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The 250 year timeframe is made up and even if it wasn’t the US couldn’t realistically be described as an empire until some time in the 1900’s. Until then it was “just” a genocidal colonial power like the others. I guess you could make an argument that it became an empire around the time of Teddy or the monroe doctrine, but I wouldnt
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